Ninja D!
If Katy Perry comes on the radio and I no longer feel sick over the fact that I'm listening to terrestrial commercial radio, that doesn't quite classify my as a Katy Perry fan, does it?
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
There are worse things to be than a Katy Perry fan.
Roadkill, for instance.
Ninja D!
I've never had the desire to buy one of her albums or anything, I just don't feel like beating my head in with a rock when she's playing. That's different from how I usually feel when listening to your average pop radio station right now.
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
We generally get too carried away with our disdain for modern pop. Is it good? No. Not at all. Is it fundamentally any worse than, say, the tapping of tree branches against your window? Probably not. It's just noise.
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
The most that ought to be said about pop radio is that you're better off listening to dead air. But that's true for just about anything on the airwaves, radio, television and internet alike.
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
Present company excluded
Kindling
Heh, that Leicester thing reminded me of a story about an Australian calling some train company to ask how to best get to a place called "Loogaburrooga"... meaning Loughborough (in reality, pronounced more like "luffbruh")
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
It's like the deeper you get to England the less sense the English language makes.
LordVreeg
indeed. And we can carry that into a lot of places.
Light Dragon
Oh, I have over 25 plays of E_T (without Kanye) on my computer over the past week. So I clearly disagree. And Katy's other songs are strongly in my most played list.
Luminous Crayon
It's too bad she suffers from such debilitating, mind-crushing hypocrisy, I guess.
SDragon
There's two key differences between the pop music of Katy Perry and, as you said, the tapping of tree branches against your window. The first is that someone-- multiple someones, in fact-- went through the time and effort to create, produce, and distribute Katy Perry's music. The second key difference is that many, many people actually spent money on it.
That said, i don't have a problem with pop as a genre any more than I do with, say, rap as a genre. There is some potential in it, but unfortunately, most of the artists settle for only enough of that potential to make them rich.
Llum
Lol wow so much Katy perry hate!
Elemental Elf
- I kissed a Dwarf and I liked it
- The taste of his mithril chainmail
- I kissed a Dwarf just to try it
- I hope the wood elves don't mind it
- It felt so wrong
- It felt so right
- Don't mean I'm in love tonight
- I kissed a Dwarf and I liked it
Luminous Crayon
*dedicates video to project encouraging bullied gay teens not to commit suicide*
*hit song "ur so gay" opens with "you should probably just hang yourself"*
*inconsistency? what inconsistency?*
Ninja D!
I haven't heard that one but a quick search says the lyrics are, "I hope ypu hang yourself" which still isn't good but there is adistinct difference.
Luminous Crayon
What's the point of splitting hairs over that? It's not better!
The Meanest Guest
I'm pretty sure that song is actually about metrosexuals or something.
Nomadic
I view most pop the same way I view most modern art. It isn't about expression it's about getting enough blind fans to give you money and make you rich. Very few pop "artists" are artists at all. No respect for creativity any farther than how it can make them wealthy/look talented
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
Indeed. We, as a community (of consumers at least, if we possess no other solidarity) are willing to swallow it, so the merchants will peddle it. Your music is like your politicians and your drinking water: only as good as you demand.
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
And yes, "Ur So Gay" is about some chick hating on a metrosexual. Got to love the popularisation of that word as an all-purpose slur. Don't worry my homosexual friends! One day you'll get something catchy and simple and we won't steal it and butcher it (and with it your dreams of public respectability)!
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
(By which I of course mean "we definitely WILL". We're waiting on the eaves, nets ready. You odd fellows haven't a chance.)
Light Dragon
You do realize that the term "gay" was originally used to mean "happy", so it's already been "stolen" and "butchered" at least once before (using your terms). / Also, don't see what being offensive has to do with the quality of what someone's music sounds like-it's a non sequitur- you can argue that you dislike the artist because of that, but it has nothing at all to do with her songs (other than the offensive song). / Also, why does being "creative" matter- as long as people like what you make and buy what you make, that sounds much more worthwhile than the work of some Indie artist who no one will ever hear because he's so Indie no one can 'understand his soul' (a real Nowhere Man, if you will).
Luminous Crayon
I'm not arguing that her music's bad (that's another conversation); I'm arguing that her method of self-promotion betrays a pretty deplorable set of ethics.
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
Oh everybody knows that by now, Light Dragon. My point, rather, is that we use it specifically because of its more contemporary association with homosexuals. That's uncool.
And to LC, all I have to say is "welcome to the twentyfirst century."
Luminous Crayon
Touché, et chagrin.
Light Dragon
LC= Okay; the way I had read I thought you were conflating the two; I have no opinion about her methods of self-promotion, so in that case I have no quarrel with you. ; Salacious Angel- well, maybe anyone over 30 knows that, but I've found that it's not a good idea to overestimate the erudition of most people , sadly (and it seemed that you were ignoring that old use even though I figured you knew of it--given your utilization of language you almost certainly had to know of the lexicographical origin of the word--so I feel justified in calling that out). Still, although I might tangle academically in support of neologisms and new ways to use old words; you won't see me using the term in a pejorative sense for a variety of reasons, so in that fashion, I also do not appear to have a huge disagreement with you. Now, let's go out together and take a drag a fag (archaic term for: cigarette of all things).
Valid point, Light Dragon. The way I worded it did suggest I thought "gay" began as a word for homosexuals.
Pop musicians are so queer nowadays...
Heh. I see what you did there. ;)
It's attention grabbing. It's how commercialism works. I don't begrudge them. It is inevitable that the most conspicuous product achieves maximum exposure. Great art is seldom conspicuous.
Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken CaesarGreat art is seldom conspicuous.
I don't believe this is the case. I would buy it if you said that most conspicuous art is not great, though.
I imagine there are worse points on which to disagree :D
Quote from: Light DragonAlso, why does being "creative" matter- as long as people like what you make and buy what you make, that sounds much more worthwhile than the work of some Indie artist who no one will ever hear because he's so Indie no one can 'understand his soul' (a real Nowhere Man, if you will).
Well first off you have to realize that I view creativity as a cornerstone of humanity so creativity always matters as far as I am concerned. I am perhaps annoyed that a person, instead of working hard to get good as an artist chooses to pick something that they can do without too much effort. Mainly because it is being propped up by a false sense that there is some deeper meaning behind it and anybody who says it's just a blob is unintellectual and simpleminded. I hate that this idea of modern art as art being forced upon people mostly because art shouldn't have to be held up solely by the idea that there's some philosophical meaning hiding within it. It should be able to stand on its own without being propped up like that. Deeper meaning within art is fine as long as there is more to it then that.
Most critically art is aesthetic and so it should be aesthetically pleasing and I find neither modern art nor modern pop pleasing (with a few exceptions of course). Instead I see alot of self proclaimed artists taking the easy road and following a set of instructions to getting rich with little importance on creativity or actual artistry. If you want to do that, that's fine but don't presume to label yourself an artist or your work art. You are a businessperson and what you are making and offering is a consumer product, nothing more.
And I do think that being indy for the sake of being indy is just as silly. What it comes down to is a choice of whether you are more interested in creating something or selling something and you should focus on that when offering an aesthetic piece for others to enjoy.