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Title: Erfworld
Post by: Xathan on December 07, 2006, 10:34:32 AM
What are everyone's thoughts on this? I'm personally reserving judgement on it's overall writing, since it's still developing, but so far it has got a few chuckles here and there from me, and the artwork is fun, not as goodfy as OOTS but not quite as 'serious' as normal manga style art.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Raelifin on December 07, 2006, 11:25:44 AM
Aside from having to read it twice to understand it... I think it's great. To me, there are three signs that I really like something:
1) I enjoy it in the moment. Erfworld made me laugh.
2) I think about it afterwords. Of course, only thinking about the briliance of using the word "croak" isn't much, but it's something.
3) I quote it endlessly as an eternal in-joke.

So, I haven't reached stage three, but it promises good things. I'll certainly read it for a while.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Numinous on December 07, 2006, 11:31:46 AM
It is entertaining, and I like the art-style, so I'll watch and wait before I praise it.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 07, 2006, 02:38:08 PM
I can taste key-lime pie...

that about sums it up.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on December 07, 2006, 05:04:36 PM
So far, my thoughts are...

"Meh,"  "Hmmm..."  "We'll See..."

in that order.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Elven Doritos on December 07, 2006, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: IshmaylSo far, my thoughts are...

"Meh,"  "Hmmm..."  "We'll See..."

in that order.

Quoted for truthiness.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Matt Larkin (author) on December 07, 2006, 05:59:17 PM
I have to agree with Ishy.  Thus far, I haven't found it that great; certainly not OotS-caliber.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Wensleydale on December 07, 2006, 06:05:46 PM
Yeah, same here.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: SilvercatMoonpaw on December 07, 2006, 07:22:44 PM
Rich did say it isn't OOTS style "one-punchline per page".  I think it has potential, though, because of Wanda's cast page quote, and because the titans that created the world are elvises (or elvis impersonators).
Title: Erfworld
Post by: beejazz on December 07, 2006, 10:54:07 PM
Yes, the elvi (the obvious plural of elvus... and yes, I am aware of my spelling) were a nice touch.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: CYMRO on December 08, 2006, 08:05:49 PM
I am reminded, at some points, of Milk Chan.  
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Raelifin on December 08, 2006, 09:22:27 PM
I think you're all just sour because it's not D&D centric and it lacks a background. Once it moves into the realm of being able to reference itself, you'll all regret your skepticism. So says me. Greensight ftw.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on December 08, 2006, 11:20:35 PM
Quote from: RaelifinI think you're all just sour because it's not D&D centric and it lacks a background. Once it moves into the realm of being able to reference itself, you'll all regret your skepticism. So says me. Greensight ftw.
like[/i] - many comics that are not in any way, shape, or form related to D&D, I fail to see the legitimacy of this statement. :)
Title: Erfworld
Post by: beejazz on December 09, 2006, 12:42:48 AM
Ditto, seeing as I write a comic that is not strictly DnD centric. ;)
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Raelifin on December 09, 2006, 02:10:19 AM
My point was not that you can't enjoy a non-D&D comic as much as the concept that a plot-oriented comic needs time for build-up. Most comics, even plot comics choose to start with punchlines and non-sequitors, for much the same reason that overarching TV shows start with self-contained episodes: there is no knowledge base to draw on.

I'm not sure how smart it was to open with an exposition, but what I've seen so far has been quality, even if it is a bit like the beginning of a book, rather than a comic.

If, for example, the comic had spoofed on D&D (or some other topic), it would have an instant backdrop to play off of. Erfworld lacks this, and thus will be a bit confusing until character empathy grows.

And before you start pointing to comics like Inverloch or Earthsong, with strong openings, remember that they are drama/action based comics rather that humor based ones. Action based comics need no base understanding, they live for the "cool" factor. Drama based mediums need a slow build-up for proper empathy, so a slow start is a successful one.

Just my  :2cents:
 -Rael
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Raelifin on December 13, 2006, 03:53:09 PM
Todays comic was bass-ackwards. The "end the turn" line made me smirk, but it was placed at the begining. >.< Punchlines need to be AFTER plot!
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Raelifin on December 21, 2006, 01:14:59 PM
Well, I can say with some certainty that the comic's author has no understanding of the word exposition. Mystery needs a freaking knowledge base or else it's just confusion!
Title: Erfworld
Post by: beejazz on December 21, 2006, 02:12:29 PM
this comic... GAH!

If it was in written format, maybe... but this is not worth the wait... at all.
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Post by: Raelifin on December 21, 2006, 02:31:44 PM
Agreed.
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Post by: CYMRO on December 21, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: beejazzthis comic... GAH!

If it was in written format, maybe... but this is not worth the wait... at all.


Mediocre.  Not a hint of storytelling ability.  

I won't bother to follow it anymore.
Title: Erfworld
Post by: Matt Larkin (author) on December 22, 2006, 11:14:44 AM
Yeah, I'm still following, for the immediate present, but I've found it a little confusing and not particularly amusing or interesting.