Okay, I played Warcraft: Orcs and Humans long ago. My friend was playing it, and he let me play. It was awesome. So, somehow (don't recall the exact circumstances) I convinced my Mom to buy my brother and I the game for our computer at home. We both loved it.
Then, Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness came out. We bought it pretty quickly after its release. Loved it as well. We never bought the expansion for Warcraft II, nor did we ever play it online.
Then... Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos came out. We REALLY wanted it, but more important things came up. When we did get around to getting it, we discovered that an expansion had already been made, and we got the Warcraft III Battle Chest at Christmas. This is by far one of my favorite computer games of all time. The editor is absolutely fantastic! Intuitive, creative, and hugely flexible.
World of Warcraft. Seeing as we had a dial-up Internet conection at the time, we couldn't see any reason to even look at this one.
Recently, at a meeting of the Gamer's Guild, one of the guys brought a copy of World of Warcraft: The Board Game (with Expansion stuff) and invited everybody to play it. I enjoyed it, despite a number of things that ticked me off about the backstory, the gameplay itself was fun.
This led me to get out the Warcraft III disk and play again. In fact, I went straight to the WorldEditor, opening up all the custom maps and scenarios I had created before. Some of them were great ideas, that I never got interested enough in, but one latched onto my mind. I had a map titled 'Illidan Lives'. I opened it looked through it. Suddenly memories of continuing the Warcraft storyline from Frozen Throne flashed through my head. Inspiration struck and I began reworking that map and creating new ones.
Basically, this thread has one major point, and a minor one.
Major Point: Who here has played any of the Warcraft games (including WoW, I guess) and what did they think?
Minor Point: Out of those of you who've played Warcraft III, if any, what do you think of the new storyline being created by Wow? Personally, I hate what they've done there, and I basically refuse to take any story-related info from WoW seriously. I'll stop talking for now, and if anyone replies and is interested, I can give you my reasons for loathing the WoW storyline.
-Sidekick Boy (DX)
I've been a big blizzard fan since starcraft, but I'm worried that the money may have screwed them up. I guess their next game will be the deciding factor. In any case, I have both WC3 and FT, though I only purchased FT for the map editor additions.
WC3 is a good game. Not my favorite, but good. I'm a personal fan of the custom DotA maps (non-FT versions). If any of you don't know what that is, it's not worth explaining at length.
Story wise, I enjoyed the newest warcraft plotlines, including WoW, though I think they're sub-par to Starcraft's plot, and there is always plenty of room for improvement in this area of the industry. I am curious about your anti-WoW plot ideas, so please tell if you feel like it.
i have played and own warcraft 2 and 3 and thoroughlyt enjoy both. 2 was awesome if only because you could turn every enemy into sheep and then build fences of towers and use peasants to herd them (yeah, i had a lot of time on my hands. but seriously, try it some time. it's fun). it was good for lots of other reasons too, but that alone was enough to like it. it was like sim sheperd.
i have played WoW and find it really enjpyable (addictive in fact). i don't like it though since it is like a drug and has destroyed the like of many people, including some friends of mine.
i wish they'd put the warcraft on pause and put out starcraft 2 though. c'mon guys, it's been how many years now? way too many, that's how many.
I've never played Starcraft myself (shame on me, I know) but I've heard it's a classic.
Quote from: RaelifinWC3 is a good game. Not my favorite, but good. I'm a personal fan of the custom DotA maps (non-FT versions). If any of you don't know what that is, it's not worth explaining at length.
Story wise, I enjoyed the newest warcraft plotlines, including WoW, though I think they're sub-par to Starcraft's plot, and there is always plenty of room for improvement in this area of the industry. I am curious about your anti-WoW plot ideas, so please tell if you feel like it.
I've heard of DotA maps, I've just never played multiplayer.
As far as my dislike of the WoW storyline, here goes...
At the end of Frozen Throne, the Warcraft factions are as follows:
The Horde - Thrall, Rexxar, Rokhan, & Cairne
Races: Orcs, Stonemaul Ogres, Goblins, Island Trolls, and Tauren
Unsteady alliance forged with the Alliance and the Night Elves. Located in Durotar.
The Alliance - Jaina
Races: Humans, Gnomes, Dwarves, and remaining High Elves
Unsteady alliance with the Horde and the Night Elves. Located in parts of Lordaeron.
The Night Elves - Malfurion, Tyrande
Races: Night Elves & Furbolgs (arguably)
Unsteady alliance with the Horde and the Alliance. Located in Kalimdor.
The Scourge - Arthas/Lich King, Anub'arak, Kel'thuzad
Races: Undead, Gargoyles, & Nerubians
Basically the most powerful faction despite the defeat of the Burning Legion. Anub'arak is in Northrend, Kel'thuzad is in Lordaeron, Arthas sits on the Frozen Throne.
The Forsaken - Sylvanas, Varimathras
Races: Undead
Still building power, probably one of the weakest factions. Located in the Plaguelands and the Undercity.
The Watchers - Maiev
Races: Night Elves
The weakest faction. Somewhere in the Outlands.
Illidan's Forces (The Broken?) - Illidan, Kael'thas, Vashj, Akama
Races: Naga, Blood Elves, & Draenei
Illidan is left for dead at the Icecrown glacier, but it is unknown whether he lives or dies. Akama is in the Outlands. Kael and Vashj are in Northrend.
World of Warcraft[rant]However, WoW suddenly decides that the Scourge and the Horde have become allies. (Undead being part of The Horde) And it puts Sylvanas, whose main goal in the unlife is to destroy Arthas, on the same side as Arthas. Maybe I'm confused, but this makes no sense to me. Not to mention the fact that Arthas' goal is almost definitely total domination of Azeroth and Thrall is sure to know that.
Now IF the Horde and the Scourge have, for some reason, decided to join forces, I can see the Night Elves and the Alliance joining forces to fight them. But if it's just the Horde and the Alliance back to their old "I hate you, let's fight" stuff again, I don't see why the Night Elves would choose the Alliance over the Horde. I would expect them to stand back and let the two fight each other at the worst, or at the best try and convince them not to fight.[/rant]
Most, if not all, or my WoW knowledge comes from the Warcraft Universe Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_universe)
Alas, you are a bit misguided in your ideas. Jaina did not return to Lordaeron after FT, but rather built a city in southern Kalimdor.
The forsaken do NOT join up with Arthas. That's just crazy talk. Undead (Arthas' army) is a shared foe in WoW, with no player involvement. (The forsaken rock, IMO)
You also forgot that while a large portion of Lorderon was destroyed by Arthas/Buring Legion, Azeroth (the kingdom) in the south, along with Ironforge, were largely untouched.
In pre-WoW, the pact of races has fallen, with even Jaina being barely tolerated by the Horde. Old hatreds die hard and with the Undead falling back to northrend, the borders of Orcs and Men once again collide. The actions of Daelin Proudmoore have dissolved whatever friendship the horde had.
Trolls from the Echo Isles have joined with Thrall, creating the three-race pact (orcs, tauren and trolls). Goblins and ogres are far to mercenary to follow Thrall. Rexxar, being who he is, has left Durotar for his own path.
Meanwhile, in the east... The human nation of Azeroth, led by the boy-king rekindles it's alliance with the dwarves of Ironforge. Together, the two major groups seek to reclaim Lordaeron, and clear the undead presence.
Sylvanis, seeking allies, looks to the Alliance's long-time foes for support. Thrall, sympathetic to the Forsaken, agrees to an Alliance, seeing the recent freedom from the lich king as a similar situation to the freedom of the orcs from the burning legion.
I forget why the Night Elves join up with the Alliance, but they do.
And then there's The Burning Crusade...
EDIT: I think it's interesting to see how world-building has moved into the main-stream economy with the advent of MMO gaming.
My ignorance likely stems from the fact that the Warcraft Wiki is humongous (not to mention the WoWWiki), and, despite my lack of a life, my time is still limited to 24 hours a day.
Quote from: RaelifinAlas, you are a bit misguided in your ideas. Jaina did not return to Lordaeron after FT, but rather built a city in southern Kalimdor.
It seems I was slightly uninformed, I assumed that Jaina would've returned to Lordaeron to attempt to rebuild Dalaran.
Quote from: RaelifinYou also forgot that while a large portion of Lorderon was destroyed by Arthas/Buring Legion, Azeroth (the kingdom) in the south, along with Ironforge, were largely untouched.
Trolls from the Echo Isles have joined with Thrall, creating the three-race pact (orcs, tauren and trolls). Goblins and ogres are far to mercenary to follow Thrall. Rexxar, being who he is, has left Durotar for his own path.[/quote]Sylvanas, seeking allies, looks to the Alliance's long-time foes for support. Thrall, sympathetic to the Forsaken, agrees to an Alliance, seeing the recent freedom from the lich king as a similar situation to the freedom of the orcs from the burning legion.[/quote]And then there's The Burning Crusade...[/quote]Stupid Thrall... stupid Jaina...[/size]
EDIT: Oh, and thanks for helping me catch up on all this, Raelifin. I appreciate it.