A little something i whipped up while watching the hockey game tonight... i hope i didn't do a hack-job... Does anybody recognize it?
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Oh no! Do you know what you have done?! Now he is going to want to pay you (and vreeg's payments are... unorthodox).
Sweet map anyway :)
Nice map Lath. I'm sure Vreeg will appreciate it.
Quote from: NomadicOh no! Do you know what you have done?! Now he is going to want to pay you (and vreeg's payments are... unorthodox).
Though I know it is futile, for your sake I hope there will be no leather involved.
That's a well made map. I like the way you did the mountains.
Not quite my style but, as others have said, that is a nicely made map. I'm sure Vreeg will be honored that someone did something like this.
**Honored and speechless**
Truly.
On the frontpage of the PBwiki.
frontpage (http://celtricia.pbwiki.com/FrontPage)
Wow i am glad you like it, i didnt know if you would want it or not, or if you had a more updated map offline somewhere. If you want i can post the unlabeled version, so you can label as you wish.
Lath,
My PC's all want to hire you.
Seriously, I have gotten about 11 emails since I posted it there from 11 different PLayers, everyone raving. The effect of color, who knew?
(I have much more exact small scale maps all over the place, especially near Miston, Igbar, Igtiche, and Ocodig, since those are the main playing areas. But I would love the base map you did to do a settlement-only map.)
I want to finish the map (some how the gravel layer around the rivers got turned off) and the river blue finished either. Like i said i rushed it, but if you like it i will enjoy putting some more time into it and fix the irregularities (like the white line near Shrum) I think i will do some reading on Celtricia so i can get an idea of the local weather and geography, i made it rather generic and random. The coastline isnt right either... hmmm i think i know what i am doing today.... :)
PS - Anyone know a simple place i can get large pictures posted up on the net? My map for my setting world is all in one piece and is a 3.5 Mb file in JPG. I know there is free hosting, i just want something simple and quick to join/use.
photobucket.com and imageshack.us are both image hosting sites. You could also just host it on a random forum, or on this site :p
too big to attach to a post on this site, i need to host it else where and link to it i think. Those are the two sites i have heard the most of, so i guess i will pick one and go.
The main image is 14,638 KB
Flickr is another hosting site. It's let me put up some fairly large pictures.
You should probably add a legend as well at some point. Of course, that's last-minute details.
Here is an update, I haven't forgotten about this, just been busy developing my style and working on my own setting map... anyway here is an update, land form and relief.I am a little hung up on the rivers right now but i am tired and my eyes hurt and i will come back to this again.
What do you think Vreeg?
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Nice map. Reminds me of northern England and Scotland with a vestigial Ireland. You all do far better work than anything I've managed on a pc.
That's a really cool style, would you mind explaining your process?
Quote from: LathHere is an update, I haven't forgotten about this, just been busy developing my style and working on my own setting map... anyway here is an update, land form and relief.I am a little hung up on the rivers right now but i am tired and my eyes hurt and i will come back to this again.
What do you think Vreeg?
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Well first off, it is beautiful, and also shows a very unique and definite style, which is hard to do in the world of cartography. I am flattered you have used Celtricia to hone your craft, and I will try to use the deep data pool it has developed to make corrections.
Color wise, the shading is a little weird. The northern parts need a little more green, as the temperature zone up near Miston is more like middle Canada. And since Celtricia (as a planet) is about *2.5 earth, the equator is actually still south of all of Argus, (it runs through Togford, Strakford, and Elpern). Middle Southern Argus has some very dry steppes, but that is slightly south of where your map touches.
Southern, that area is almost all verdant green.
Quote from: Lord VreegWell first off, it is beautiful, and also shows a very unique and definite style, which is hard to do in the world of cartography. I am flattered you have used Celtricia to hone your craft, and I will try to use the deep data pool it has developed to make corrections.
Color wise, the shading is a little weird. The northern parts need a little more green, as the temperature zone up near Miston is more like middle Canada. And since Celtricia (as a planet) is about *2.5 earth, the equator is actually still south of all of Argus, (it runs through Togford, Strakford, and Elpern). Middle Southern Argus has some very dry steppes, but that is slightly south of where your map touches.
Southern, that area is almost all verdant green.
ok perfect, there is alot of reading for me to do to get all the details (though I have been reading more and more lately) so a simple overview like that is perfect. How picky are you on having your rivers flow exactly as shown or can i play with them a bit? not so much moving them but adding small tributaries from the mountain valleys... Are the mountains snow capped for any of the map? if they stop about where (on the map) would the mountains no longer keep their caps.
@ Ish - I am still figuring out the how i want to do rivers, which is a major step and how i want to do towns. Once i figure it all out and finish Vreegs map in the process i will write a tutorial.
Short Hand Version - Used Vreeg's hand drawn map to get the coastal outline. Filled the land with 50% Grey and Used the burn/dodge tool to lighten and darken areas. Light for mountains dark for river drainage valleys (Picture ONE). Took that gray scale image to the program Wilbur and after some time eroded the hell out of the first image and turned it into Image TWO. Back in Gimp i used a simple White-Green-Tan Gradient to fill the land shape top to bottom. Added a Cloud layer overlay to break it up. Imported image TWO as a layer, and bump mapped it (turns the height field into a relief)after deleting all the black. Set the bump mapped layer to VALUE (VERY IMPORTANT) This "overlays" the relief but lets the ground colour come through clearly. Then i use another copy of the image TWO set to overlay to add some definition to the relief. hehe like i said i will write a proper tut when i figure the rest out... :)
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Looking good, Lath. Though I liked the forests in the OP.
Quote from: PhoenixLooking good, Lath. Though I liked the forests in the OP.
Thanks, and there coming. This is just the relief for the mountains/hills... the forest will go on top once i cut away the rivers.
New Update. still W.I.P
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Is the River Locations O.K? I know their a little different than the original, but i wanted to add tributaries and make the rivers flow more "realistically", but i think i am set on the rivers just need an O.K on them.
Nice but you should be glad this wasn't posted on the CG or the river police would be knocking on your door. you have a river branching between two lakes, both of which empty into the ocean. This is impossible in reality. If you made that part then now you know. If vreeg had it like that on his map... then shame on him!
But it's awesome pretty!
Yeah, Lath, this looks fantastic. I am just incredibly impressed.
I don't have my world maps with me, but I know that I need the 2 rivers that fork into the South of Trabler are unfotunately critical.
Ok Good to know about the Rivers near the Trabler Forest. This is the Map that i am using as referance. Seeing the River Police in actions since wayyyy before they were official at the CartoGuild, is what is forcing me to try to change the rivers (along with melding the rivers into the mountains i have generated). The river that starts in the mountains to the east of Castle Ellis, the splits and joins the same river at two different points later is high unlikely as well, my jedi training is making me want to make it one river. I still need to figure out how to do the delta between Gotipan and Hobyt Inn, and i will make the rivers near Trabler more true to the original.
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Also would you like me to clean up the trees? Naturally i bleed my forests out from mountains (I live on the Pacific Northwest about 150m from the Ocean in a Fjord like area) but you have very clean manicured (European) forests, would you like me to clean is up and use less "extra wood"?
Very, very impressive! I'm really liking your styles Lath, and I hope you'll do a full tutorial once you're done!
Quote from: LathAlso would you like me to clean up the trees? Naturally i bleed my forests out from mountains (I live on the Pacific Northwest about 150m from the Ocean in a Fjord like area) but you have very clean manicured (European) forests, would you like me to clean is up and use less "extra wood"?
LAth, first off, thank you for asking me. Celtricia has evolved into a quarter-century odyssey for me, and so it carries a lot of emotional baggage. I hope you know your stuff is so good you are convincing me to dig out my older maps...
The northern grey march forests look great, but Trabler's wooded areas are much more delineated. The Asttrikon Forest, in northern Trabler, needs to have the Tiche Plains south of it. The Bright Lands have a large sward of plains in their center, while the Delta of the Ambrettus River is actually bracketted by mountains.
Ok this was just before your last post. I will pull Trabler away from Igbar, make sure their is room for the Tiche Plains their... same with the Brightlands i will open it back up between Hobyt Inn and Hobyton. Do you want me to Fjord up the end of the river in the Bright Lands? Is that the Ambrettus River? anywho worked on the woodlands some more... like i said this was befour your last post but i will work on it more... the more details and the more information you give me the better it will be when it is done, it will just mean you will have to wait a little longer for your Map :)
I need your ok on the settlment locations i have marked.
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Different version i didn't like the acidic colours this is more muted...
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Honestly Lath, I like the first version better (if my opinion matters at all!). I know you called it acidic, but to me, it just looked nicely stylized, whereas the second one looks kind of blurry. Great work all around though, you should definitely post this stuff over at the Cartographers Guild and see if they have some things to say about it.
I like the "acidic look" too. ;)
Quote from: IshmaylHonestly Lath, I like the first version better (if my opinion matters at all!). I know you called it acidic, but to me, it just looked nicely stylized, whereas the second one looks kind of blurry. Great work all around though, you should definitely post this stuff over at the Cartographers Guild and see if they have some things to say about it.
My wife likes the rich colours too, i just didnt like the rivers and wanted their colour to flow into the ocean more, i will probably use the water colouring but take the white mask layer (solid white layer and play with the transparency until you like it) off and let the land colours come through. Its at the point where i should take it over to the CartoGuild your right, i am just scared the river police will arrest me! :) Thanks for your comments, of course your opinion matters! I am flattered by yours, Vreeg's and everyones comments.
I just want to make a map that Vreeg can present to his players without going "Ok this is the map, now these hills arent accually there, and the rivers acually flows like this..." something that captures all the hard work Vreeg has put into Celtrcia that he can present with the rest of the world and it can stand up with the rest of the excellent work he has done and not be seen as a "deficient" part of the setting or table presentation.
so here is my last update for a bit, its time to go back to work. just worked on the colouring not the changes mentioned.
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I'm continuously impressed by this. I think at this point, the only issue I would have with the coloring is how abruptly the river changes from light blue to the darker blue in the lakes, and maybe a bit more of a fade could happen there. Other than that, you've definitely set yourself up here now as someone who will probably be called upon by others for mapmaking!
Quote from: Ishmaylyou've definitely set yourself up here now as someone who will probably be called upon by others for mapmaking!
Whether you like it or not. :P ;)
I like the bright colors more, too. The mountains also work very well for me.
Quote from: IshmaylI'm continuously impressed by this. I think at this point, the only issue I would have with the coloring is how abruptly the river changes from light blue to the darker blue in the lakes, and maybe a bit more of a fade could happen there. Other than that, you've definitely set yourself up here now as someone who will probably be called upon by others for mapmaking!
Yea i rushed the Lakes, i dont like them either, i was trying to finish them so i could post the map here befour work and erased with a hard brush! And i dont mind at all doing more maps for others. My wife wants me to "turn this into something" but i dont think i will ever be a "professional" map maker or get anything published so doing maps for the Homebrews here at the CBG is just fine for me. If someone wants to toss me 20 bucks so i can justify to my wife spending 8+ hours mapping an entire high-resolution world map on the computer thats more than i could have ever hoped for. I ENJOY world building and mapping. Doing this Map for Vreeg working off a set map, and following up getting the details is great fun for me. I am used to mapping my world, which i am creating and changing as i go, this is different and i like it.
I think Gamer Printshop is still our main "map guy" the guys got skills.
Quote from: LathI think Gamer Printshop is still our main "map guy" the guys got skills.
Yeah, GP is pretty awesome, and Nomadic and Phoenix both do astounding jobs as well, but you're definitely getting up there. Cheers!
What happened to my post? It got deleted or something.
Anyhow as I said before it looks pretty awesome. You just have some impossible rivers. If this was you, then now you know. If this was Vreeg... then shame on him :P.
Anyhow the impossible ones are circled in red here (if you want to know why they don't work feel free to ask):
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Oh i know their impossible, the lower one i didnt even do until Vreeg confirmed that it was necessary and i added it on a later map. I posted the original Vreeg did long ago that i am working off of. I have altered the rivers quite a bit while trying to leave as many of the rivers as was on the original. Generally lakes have one exit, and rivers don't fork they join. The river in the lower right on of your cut out does this, as do others. Thank you for your keen eye, but i dont think this map will ever pass the river police. Its why i am hesitant to post it on the CartoGuild.
Ok new update, cleaned up what i rushed before work yesterday, and did some "trimming" to the woodlands to get them to match Vreeg's image. How do the tree lines look now Vreeg? and do i have location markers at the right spot? (the white dots)One is normal the other has a touch of white wash to lighten it.
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Added some hills to break up the flat lands... dunno it maybe too much and its starting to look... "dirty"
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Quote from: NomadicWhat happened to my post? It got deleted or something.
Anyhow as I said before it looks pretty awesome. You just have some impossible rivers. If this was you, then now you know. If this was Vreeg... then shame on him :P.
Anyhow the impossible ones are circled in red here (if you want to know why they don't work feel free to ask):
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Allright, Nomadic, you obviously want to describe why these are impossible, I'll bite. There's enough in Celtricia that might not match well with physics. :-/
Both of these you circle have their primary headwater in the Grey March, and the water travels south where they meet in Lake Tarniquade, then travel south down the Wizard's River to Lake Smoexeo~(Blinding White, White omwo~), where 2 rivers discharge in the south of the lake.
The western river is Called the Anvil, and travels down until it splits. The Northern river is still called the Anvil, and the southern one (the Jurist Flow) is the western one you circled. The Jurist flow goes south until it meets with the delta of NorthernGryphon river as floes east to west and spills into the Argonia.
(more late...work is killing me)
most recent texturing looks great, Lathe. Really..not dirty at all...just textured
I think I am going to leave this map unlabeled, and leave the labeling up to Vreeg, after reading his last post on all the river names (although by description the rivers in the map seem to follow the same sequence so yay!) I could very easily under-label or over-label the map, and Celtricia is constantly evolving and Vreeg is adding places. Also i hope the map has enough "new detail" that it keeps Vreegs imagination going for a while "there's a nice valley here, maybe there is a village of _____ there...." or whatever. Labeling is easy I usually just use Wingding Symbols and download a couple nice fonts. Is there any other changes you would like to the map as far as mountains, rivers, tree-lines, or any unique details needed?
It's a nice map. If a couple of rivers are impossible, so what?
People can stomach magic, flying dragons, and whatever else-- they can take a couple of funny-looking rivers. :P
Quote from: sparkletwistIt's a nice map. If a couple of rivers are impossible, so what?
People can stomach magic, flying dragons, and whatever else-- they can take a couple of funny-looking rivers. :P
LOL Thanks :D
So are we done with this project Vreeg? Are you happy with the map as is or do you want me to revise it some more to get it right. Just curious before i get too deep in my new mapping project.
Quote from: sparkletwistIt's a nice map. If a couple of rivers are impossible, so what?
People can stomach magic, flying dragons, and whatever else-- they can take a couple of funny-looking rivers. :P
You're talking about the person who came up with a scientific design to magic :P
on a more serious note, it has nothing to do with being able to stomach magic... it has to do with the common courtesy of pointing out potential errors in someone's work so that they can improve. That is what we're all here for right?
Lath, you have doen for me a great service. You were done whenever you want to be.
Nomadic, always love your comments, every one!
Its been My pleasure Lord Vreeg. I just want to make sure that I have created a map that you can honestly use without having any part of it you feel doesn't depict an area accurately. If you feel its good enough for you to present to your players as part of Celtricia then the map is done. Here are the unlabeled versions of the last 3 versions. I was going to post the Gimp File but its too big :(
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Quote from: Lord VreegAllright, Nomadic, you obviously want to describe why these are impossible, I'll bite. There's enough in Celtricia that might not match well with physics. :-/
You have been challenged Nomadic, and I want to hear it. I can imagine why the northern one is unlikely, but my I'm curious about the explanation for the southern one.
Quote from: PhoenixQuote from: Lord VreegAllright, Nomadic, you obviously want to describe why these are impossible, I'll bite. There's enough in Celtricia that might not match well with physics. :-/
You have been challenged Nomadic, and I want to hear it. I can imagine why the northern one is unlikely, but my I'm curious about the explanation for the southern one.
Well, not to make anything easier or harder...but the body of water to the south in Argus is Lake Zmummi (Lake of the Anvil, Klaxik). It is NOT an openning to any sea or ocean.
Oh, and btw, I like the top one of the three best. I like the bright colors. Yes.
oops those were labeled.... :hammer:
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here is a sneak peak at what i am working at, due to the 2mb size limit i can only show you part of the land mass but i wanted to show what i was doing and it dosent deserve its own thread... yet.. ;)
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What do you guys think? I am not sold on using the yellow icons but it works for now getting everything down.
Looks neat (tons of rivers!) - is that your campaign?
Quote from: IshmaylLooks neat (tons of rivers!) - is that your campaign?
Aye, a small part of it. I was wondering if i went a little far with the rivers especially for the scale. But it is the most "northerly" land mass, the lower left being Scandinavian in climate, with the upper right more like the British isles surrounded by oceans it gets alot of rain fall, with a lot of stored water on the land as well. This is the one area of my setting that i have ran campaigns in (two). Its mostly Norce/Celtic/Scottish, i think i posted a PDF on the region but that was before i decided to remap the entire world.
Very cool. I'm seriously impressed.
And points for naming a town Hadrienn's Wall. :-p
I finally posted my maps on the CartoGuild and in a slightly larger version as well as a very simplistic tutorial on how i got to where i did so if any of you want to take a look here is the link..
http://forum.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=5104