This is a very important question...
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which is the best?
Ninjas...
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I used to think Ninjas.
How wrong I was.
I vote ninja.
Ninjas are just pirates of the land. Now, if only to figure out the land-to-sea ration for Earth...
Love can bloom...
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I still think samurai should be an option...
Quote from: KindlingI used to think Ninjas.
How awesome I was.
Fix'd :P
I've wanted to be a pirate since I was 3. Pirates for me.
Ninja pirates! Or should that be pirate ninjas? Piranjas? I gotta think about this :?:
Doctors. (http://www.drmcninja.com/)
Pirate fan here. Ninjas just seem overdone, anyone in a black leotard with a smokebomb is a ninja, its ridiculous.
By the way, although I do actually prefer pirates, I meant I was wrong in that I failed to distance myself from the whole, vastly overdone pirate/ninja dichotomy.
It's nearly as bad as Chuck Norris (don't get me started, and don't start yourself either. That shit stopped being funny even BEFORE it started)
Why the hell is it pirates and ninjas anyway? Why not gendarmes and cossacks? Or zulus and highwaymen? Or vikings and the KGB? Or anything else?
Because in all those there is a clearly defined winner (Cossacks, Zulus and the KGB), where in Pirates and Ninjas the dividing line is minute.
I would argue that while, yes, cossacks take gendarmes, no questions asked, highwaymen are more than badass enough to match the zulus as long as neither outnumbered the other, and there's no way that my mighty and noble ancestors would succumb to those damn ruskis!
So are we talking average pirates or buccaneers here (or perhaps vikings or corsairs)?
I agree that Highwaymen are Badass, and have an emotional attachment to them, but the "as long as neither outnumbered the other" kind of eliminates the POINT of Zulus. There's a reason the term Zulu tactics came about.
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The Zulus dominated Africa, there clearly superior to some random highwaymen :p
As much as I like Vikings (and I'm probably one of the few people who want to see Outlander, and actually *liked* Beowulf and Grendel) they have nothing on the KGB. These are the people who poisoned someone with *radioactive isotopes*, if that doesn't say overkill, nothing else does.
Quote from: LlumThe Zulus dominated Africa, there clearly superior to some random highwaymen :p
As much as I like Vikings (and I'm probably one of the few people who want to see Outlander, and actually *liked* Beowulf and Grendel) they have nothing on the KGB. These are the people who poisoned someone with *radioactive isotopes*, if that doesn't say overkill, nothing else does.
Thor, god of thunder, disapproves of your misplaced loyalties.
The Zulus dominated a small part of Africa. For a while. And as for "Zulu Tactics", I'm fairly sure that while, yes, in the Anglo-Zulu war they did have a numerical advantage, their tactics weren't based on that.
In fact, I'm fairly sure, having done some reading on the subject a couple of years ago, that the reason for Zulu military successes was their revolutionary tactic of using short stabbing spears in conjunction with shields rather than the throwing spears of their neighbours... who often, at least to begin with, outnumbered them.
And as for the KGB... poisoning someone with radiation is far from a true, manly, hands-on approach. Vikings would sail up their rivers, ravage their cattle, steal their women, and burn their farmsteads, reddening their axes with Russian blood along the way. Odin be praised.
Do I even need to state what my vote is?
Quote from: Kindlingravage their cattle, steal their women
I just accidentally my lunch.
Quote from: Halfling FritosNinjas are just pirates of the land.
pirates are just ninjas of the sea.
(http://www.captainsquid.com/go/pirates.jpg)
nuff said.
Rasputin. Rasputin cannot be beaten.
Quote from: Kindlingravage their cattle, steal their women
God, I type that's a hippo!
What? Everyone knows you can get a better price for a woman than you can for a cow... it's simple economics.
Quote from: beejazzRasputin. Rasputin cannot be beaten.
Agreed.
Quote from: KindlingWhat? Everyone knows you can get a better price for a woman than you can for a cow... it's simple economics.
Point.
Quote from: Gnomish CheetosQuote from: Halfling FritosNinjas are just pirates of the land.
pirates are just ninjas of the sea.
Wrong. Ninjas are disciplined and skilled. Pirates are lazy and worthless. They only survive by stealing from others, brining human society as a whole down. Its like the welfare system here in Minnesota.
Its the pirates hands down, japan was notorious for piracy as well, in fact more japanese made their living as pirates than as ninjas.
The sandals with socks thing is a fashion faux pas, bandanas and stripes, frilled shirts and knee high boots...classic.
Ninjas have been known to dress as women to gain access to their targets, there are no known cases of pirates dressing like girls.
Ninjas had a bunch of half-cocked wierd inventions that may or may not have worked, the pirates had cannons, cutlasses and compasses.
Parrots.
You can go to a halloween party and as long as you don't "arrrr" everything, you still seem normal. You look like an antisocial wierdo drinking in a ninja outfit, especially if you brought shuriken.
everybody loves a drunk pirate. Nobody sees a drunk ninja.
Quote from: FurorNinjas had a bunch of half-cocked wierd inventions that may or may not have worked, the pirates had cannons, cutlasses and compasses.
Ninjas had hand-held cannons, and pistols that were disguised as swords.
Quote from: FurorIts the pirates hands down, japan was notorious for piracy as well, in fact more japanese made their living as pirates than as ninjas.
The sandals with socks thing is a fashion faux pas, bandanas and stripes, frilled shirts and knee high boots...classic.
Ninjas have been known to dress as women to gain access to their targets, there are no known cases of pirates dressing like girls.
Ninjas had a bunch of half-cocked wierd inventions that may or may not have worked, the pirates had cannons, cutlasses and compasses.
Parrots.
You can go to a halloween party and as long as you don't "arrrr" everything, you still seem normal. You look like an antisocial wierdo drinking in a ninja outfit, especially if you brought shuriken.
everybody loves a drunk pirate. Nobody sees a drunk ninja.
I thought you were trying to make a case AGAINST ninja? Because you don't seem to have done that.
QuoteNobody sees a drunk ninja.
Not if he's any good as ninja, anyway.
In a Captain Jack Sparrow vs. Naruto face off, I think we ALL know who we'd rather marry... err vote for... what?
I vote Pirates because real ninjas are not nearly as cool as their high-octane anime descendants nor as clever/assassin-y as western mythology would have us believe. Pirates, on the other hand, we know where they stand and we know they could whip the ninjastar out of any ninja any day of the week.
Quote from: FurorNinjas have been known to dress as women to gain access to their targets, there are no known cases of pirates dressing like girls.
Of course, this is not necessarily because pirates never dress like girls. It is simply because there has never been a surviving witness to this phenomenon.
Which brings me to my next point: pirates are better at keeping secrets then ninjas,
Pirates are drunken loudmouths who can't keep secrets. A ninja who gives away a secret is hunted down and killed by other ninjas, thus they don't give away secrets. Also ninjas are exclusive so you know anyone who is a ninja is awsome. A pirate's just a thief on a boat.
How about we just leave it at Vs
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because we all know the real fun is debating.
Based on Gnomish Cheetos's comment, I'm forced to believe that pirates have a longer lifespan and are, therefore, more awesome. I mean, what's cool about being hunted down by your friends?
thats only if you tell a secret.
Quote from: Gnomish CheetosA pirate's just a thief on a boat.
Pirates exhibited rudimentary forms of revolutionary governmental forms and rebelled against militaristic monarchic authorities, while ninjas were simply pawns in the games of their feudal masters.
EDIT: Damn, I got drawn in again :P
Quote from: Elemental_ElfIn a Captain Jack Sparrow vs. Naruto face off, I think we ALL know who we'd rather marry... err vote for... what?
I vote Pirates because real ninjas are not nearly as cool as their high-octane anime descendants nor as clever/assassin-y as western mythology would have us believe.
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What most pirates actually were like:
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Yes I know that picture is actually of a merchant. However, that is only because of the fact that it is all but impossible to find a realistic picture of a pirate (society has attached the word pirate to what was actually only a small group of them).
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Same with ninjas. And yes Naruto sucks.He doesn't count as a ninja.
Naruto is no ninja. Almost no one on that show would qualify as a ninja.
Monkies
Pirates of the Caribean is a cool movie, hands down, and the third one is an extremally great movie, but you see, Jackie Chan would kick Jack Sparrows ass in a matter of seconds.
Pirates are drunk theifs and cutthroats who steal from and kill the innocent. Ninjas are highly trained, disciplned and acrobatic assassins. Isn't the answer obvious? :( ???
Doing his own stunts makes Jackie Chan neither a ninja nor an assassin.
Quote from: PhoenixDoing his own stunts makes Jackie Chan neither a ninja nor an assassin.
Jackie Chan is a good actor
Good actors are awesome
Ninjas are awesome
Thus Jackie Chan is a Ninja
Quote from: DrizztrocksPirates of the Caribean is a cool movie, hands down, and the third one is an extremally great movie
No.
I meant for disney movies, as most disney movies go you fall asleep in a matter of seconds.
Quote from: DrizztrocksI meant for disney movies, as most disney movies go you fall asleep in a matter of seconds.
No.
:P
Disney has made sure that pirates can never be cool again.
Are you kidding? I loved those movies! Especially the first one.
The first one is the only one that I don't hate. I'm not a fan but that one was the best. I didn't like the second and the third one actually caused a little physical pain, I think.
The second and third ones suffered because they had plot. It wouldn't have mattered how good the plot was, you do not make action movies about pirates with plot.
What you do for a pirate movie is have a flimsy reason to have people swing around on ropes and stab each other.
The Pirate Plot:
1)A whole bunch of people who want treasure kill each other for a map. Somehow drag a non-pirate into all this. So there's a token character the audience can identify with.
2)More killing on the way there. Justify it however you like. Legit ships, sea monsters, mutiny, cabin fever, somebody cheats at poker, etc.
3)Pirates get to the island, find treasure. Captain wants to kill half his crew for a bigger share. Crew wants to mutiny 'cause captain would've taken too much anyway.
4)???
5)PROFIT
Be sure to include monkeys, parrots, lots of top-of the line wooden prosthetics, more sea monsters, etc. And at least one person has to get marooned.
Quote from: beejazzThe Pirate Plot:
1)A whole bunch of people who want treasure kill each other for a map. Somehow drag a non-pirate into all this. So there's a token character the audience can identify with.
2)More killing on the way there. Justify it however you like. Legit ships, sea monsters, mutiny, cabin fever, somebody cheats at poker, etc.
3)Pirates get to the island, find treasure. Captain wants to kill half his crew for a bigger share. Crew wants to mutiny 'cause captain would've taken too much anyway.
4)???
5)PROFIT
Be sure to include monkeys, parrots, lots of top-of the line wooden prosthetics, more sea monsters, etc. And at least one person has to get marooned.
Best. Movie. Idea. EVER!
Quote from: NomadicQuote from: beejazzThe Pirate Plot:
1)A whole bunch of people who want treasure kill each other for a map. Somehow drag a non-pirate into all this. So there's a token character the audience can identify with.
2)More killing on the way there. Justify it however you like. Legit ships, sea monsters, mutiny, cabin fever, somebody cheats at poker, etc.
3)Pirates get to the island, find treasure. Captain wants to kill half his crew for a bigger share. Crew wants to mutiny 'cause captain would've taken too much anyway.
4)???
5)PROFIT
Be sure to include monkeys, parrots, lots of top-of the line wooden prosthetics, more sea monsters, etc. And at least one person has to get marooned.
Best. Movie. Idea. EVER!
The Pirate Trap
The pirate crew is threatening to mutiny! Attempting to prevent the mutiny are two sweet and adorable pirate twins, both played by Hayley Mills, who must employ deception, pranks, and mistaken identity in order to reconcile the feuding captain and first mate.
"A heartwarming piratical romp for the whole family. Four and a half stars."
-Chicago Tribune
Quote from: Ninja D!Disney has made sure that pirates can never be cool again.
Does that mean you don't want to see Disney's upcoming "Ninjas of the Caribbean" movie, either?
Quote from: PhoenixQuote from: Ninja D!Disney has made sure that pirates can never be cool again.
Does that mean you don't want to see Disney's upcoming "Ninjas of the Caribbean" movie, either?
If this is true then people are going to die. I don't know who yet, we'll play it by ear once I get to the disney headquarters.
Quote from: SilvercatMoonpawThe second and third ones suffered because they had plot. It wouldn't have mattered how good the plot was, you do not make action movies about pirates with plot.
What you do for a pirate movie is have a flimsy reason to have people swing around on ropes and stab each other.
I agree. I wanted more Kiera Knightly (not dressed like a man), less Orlando Bloom, and more Johnny Depp getting hurt.
Quote from: PhoenixQuote from: Ninja D!Disney has made sure that pirates can never be cool again.
Does that mean you don't want to see Disney's upcoming "Ninjas of the Caribbean" movie, either?
Blood would be shed were they to create such a thing.
Quote from: Ninja D!Disney has made sure that pirates can never be cool again.
Don't be a hater. Deep down, you know you love Captain Jack Sparrow!
We all do.
Quote from: Elemental_ElfQuote from: Ninja D!Disney has made sure that pirates can never be cool again.
Don't be a hater. Deep down, you know you love Captain Jack Sparrow!
We all do.
Deep dow...Oh! So, that's what that is! I thought it was indigestion.