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Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Superfluous Crow on July 26, 2009, 05:12:46 PM
Like all living and evolving organisms, settings can contract diseases and disorders which keep them from growing up to become healthy and mature worlds. This list keeps track of the many illnesses that have been discovered. Any independent setting doctors and researchers should feel free to contribute to the book, so as to add to the collective knowledge of the setting-medical community. If you know of any eventual cures you should post them immediately! You might save a setting from hiatus.

 Hypervariation Disorder (Theme Park Disorder)
While total settings are immune to this disease, elemental settings are prone to this tragic disorder. Reminescent of the human Multiple Personality Disorder, the individual elements of a setting suffering from this disorder lack an underlying theme and seem disjunct and out of sync. Some liken this to a a classical theme park structure, where each area carries its own feel, style, and theme.  
 Cure: Unknown

 Glossary:
 Elemental Setting: A setting composed of individual ideas linked together to create a whole. Makes for more varied settings, at the cost of structure. The underlying setting is functionally just a frame for placing ideas.  
  Total Setting: A setting focusing on the underlying theme or idea, the individual elements are simply means to an end. Total settings are more down-to-earth and grounded, although they are prone to diseases of the originality organ.  

(you are free to joke around with this although serious contributions are valued)
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Matt Larkin (author) on July 26, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Amusing idea CC. Your elemental/total distinction kind of seems like renaming DivSet and Ethocentric, though. Also, I feel like the way they're worded excludes a middle ground between them--i.e. a themed setting with some ideas that are not simply a means towards that theme.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Kaptn'Lath on July 26, 2009, 05:35:52 PM
Vreeg's Shadow
A Debilitating disease that can be highly infectious. Most common in settings that live in tight communities. The setting is racked with a feeling that its not "good enough" or "lacking in detail". Can often cause a slowing of growth to outright stagnation thus compounding the problem. Inflammation of this can be found at most setting websites especially around the Forums region.
Cure: 10-20 minute work out every week.

Hypervatiation Disorder:
Has been known to be a genetic disorder, as some settings are born with this disease. Cases from Birth are referred to as "Divset" or "Diversive Setting", their parents usually claim the setting is "special" or "underestimated".
Known Remedy: Sometimes the liberal application of a "Shared History" or "Racial Origins" can alleviate most symptoms however this has been known to leave traumatic scarring of the original appearance.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Superfluous Crow on July 26, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
[ooc]Phoenix: You have a point although I'm not sure i agree... I just can't explain it properly i guess. I would consider my setting to be elemental while I don't want it to be divset. Divset/ethoc says something about the state of the endproduct while elemental/total says something about how the setting was composed and developed.[/ooc]  
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Ghostman on July 26, 2009, 06:18:30 PM
Wannabeatism: Much as the setting may pretend to be original, it is in fact little more than a superficially disguised imitation of another setting. Well-known and popular settings such as Middle-Earth are the most likely candidates to be imitated by Wannabeatist settings. The telltale symptom indicating this condition is the compulsive urge to replicate the tropes, themes and structures of the imitated setting.

Known Remedies: Immediate and plentiful injection of original content can ease the symptoms, but will not truly cure the condition. A radical operation of the core structures is the only way to elevate the setting's condition to healthy levels, but involves the unfortunate danger for potentially deadly complications such as Rupture of Internal Consistency. The remedy may thus prove to be worse than the malady.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: SilvercatMoonpaw on July 26, 2009, 06:34:17 PM
[ooc]How do we know something's a disease rather than merely a normal condition?  I mean I'd name some, but I'm fairly sure they aren't actual problems just my personal view.[/ooc]
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Acrimone on July 26, 2009, 06:43:01 PM
I object to any and all uses of the expression "down-to-earth" in any diagnostics until someone provides a decent definition of the term.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: SilvercatMoonpaw on July 26, 2009, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: GhostmanWannabeatism: '¦'¦'¦the condition can usually be easily detected by observing a common symptom: the compulsive need to implement the tropes of the imitated setting.
[ooc]I'd allow for cases where it is acknowledge up front that wanabeatism is going on but a good excuse it provided.  (I can't necessarily say what constitutes a "good" excuse.)[/ooc]
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Steerpike on July 26, 2009, 08:32:23 PM
There could be varying levels of Wannabeatism.  A bad case would include when major factions, races, whole kingdoms, deities, and geography are more or less ripped directly from another setting, given a few name changes, and then passed off as original.  A mild case might be some sections of a setting that are recognizably more than simply inspired by another setting, but stolen whole hog with minimal tweaking.  In my view there'd be a big difference between simply using some tropes from a setting and making a carbon copy of that setting; if tropes were taken from a setting and than modified dramatically to suit the new setting, or placed in a dramatically different context (example: the setting is Middle Earth, but a dwarf-led industrial revolution is now in full swing), this wouldn't "count" as Wannabeatism.  Is that sort of what you were thinking, Silvercat?
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: SilvercatMoonpaw on July 26, 2009, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: SteerpikeIs that sort of what you were thinking, Silvercat?
I guess (I'm not sure: I can say things without knowing what I mean).  I would just say that if someone isn't looking carefully enough close yet personal imitation can look like copying.

I was thinking myself of how I had the recent thought to start with D&D race stereotypes but build from there.  Not because I want those races but maybe for a challenge (creativity can be too easy sometimes).
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: beejazz on July 27, 2009, 12:25:04 AM
There's also the reverse of wannabeatism, oppositional syndrome. The setting sets itself up as entirely exceptional within the genre it claims to emulate, to the point where it seems like another genre entirely. The simple, painless remedy is to call it what it is.

Note: Hero/Villain swaps within the same genre (like playing the robbers instead of the cops, or Elric instead of Conan) or small exceptions to the usual tropes are distinct and benign phenomena.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Ghostman on July 27, 2009, 06:40:58 AM
Of corse very few if any settings are 100% original. I meant those cases where plagiarism really is blatant. I guess I should tweak the wording a bit...

Quote from: Steerpike(example: the setting is Middle Earth, but a dwarf-led industrial revolution is now in full swing), this wouldn't "count" as Wannabeatism.
It's not so much another setting but a different version of the same setting in that case. Or perhaps (illegitimate?) offspring of that setting.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Superfluous Crow on July 27, 2009, 08:29:00 AM
Mievillian Vestige
An anatomical quirk, this setting refers to elements that have yet to be implemented or detailed scientifically (or might not be implemented at all beyond the simple description provided in the vestige). Adds an illusion of depth and detail to a setting. MVs are benign and do not threaten the health of a setting unless it suffers from a great number of them. In most cases the MVs actually add an air of intrigue to the setting which many find alluring.  
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Kindling on July 27, 2009, 12:39:32 PM
I love MVs.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Matt Larkin (author) on July 27, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: Cataclysmic CrowMievillian Vestige
An anatomical quirk, this setting refers to elements that have yet to be implemented or detailed scientifically (or might not be implemented at all beyond the simple description provided in the vestige). Adds an illusion of depth and detail to a setting. MVs are benign and do not threaten the health of a setting unless it suffers from a great number of them. In most cases the MVs actually add an air of intrigue to the setting which many find alluring.  
Example?
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Kaptn'Lath on July 27, 2009, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix
Quote from: Cataclysmic CrowMievillian Vestige
An anatomical quirk, this setting refers to elements that have yet to be implemented or detailed scientifically (or might not be implemented at all beyond the simple description provided in the vestige). Adds an illusion of depth and detail to a setting. MVs are benign and do not threaten the health of a setting unless it suffers from a great number of them. In most cases the MVs actually add an air of intrigue to the setting which many find alluring.  
Example?

Star Trek, Star Gate, Star Wars (Science Fiction is by definition Mievillian Vestige) Can't think of much else tho...
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Superfluous Crow on July 28, 2009, 07:13:47 AM
Well, as the name suggests Mieville puts them to good use, often mentioning a race or a nation or what have you in a single parapraph and then only rarely coming back to it (you can only do so much in a limited amount of text, eh?)
Steerpike's CE, with Mieville being a major inspirational factor, also uses MVs here and there.
It's a clever technique if done right.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Steerpike on July 28, 2009, 03:20:21 PM
I love MVs, although as I continue writing CE they increasingly diminish, and if you read the three Bas-Lag books very closely you'll notice that an MV in one is explained in another, and vice versa.  I think the biggest MV I can think of right now for for Mieville is those damn llorgis (who the hell are they exactly?).

Heh mine is probably the mechanoape.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Superfluous Crow on July 28, 2009, 03:27:10 PM
I think i heard the Llorgis were based on those weird three-armed green things from the elemental plane of earth in MM1 (Xorns?).
If you go to the wiki and look around there are plenty of things that it's impossible to write much more than two lines about :)
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Superfluous Crow on September 30, 2010, 11:04:34 AM
Mos Eisley Tone
The Mos Eisley Tone (Sometimes also known as the Cantina Feel) is a slight discoloration of the setting where cities are suddenly viewed in a very racially cosmopolitan view. In settings with MET passing several alien beings as you walk down a street is far from uncommon. Usually benign, although some Creator's think it causes too much variation which can be harmful to a setting.  

Alliterative Naming Disorder
The names of cities and races in a setting with AND are prone to developing the same initial letter. This is potentially harmful and more purist Creator's advise that you burn or freeze the letters off and take therapy once a week. Cr. Fritos further comments that care should be taken not to confuse the symptoms of AND with well-developed etymological patterns. While both manifest as abnormal name growths, etymological patterns are actually signs of good health and should not be treated!
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: SDragon on September 30, 2010, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Conundrum CrowAlliterative Naming Disorder
The names of cities and races in a setting with AND are prone to developing the same initial letter. This is potentially harmful and more purist Creator's advise that you burn or freeze the letters off and take therapy once a week.

Note: Settings with a properly developed etymology can exhibit the basic symptoms of AND. Care must be taken to distinguish the disorder from healthy development.
Title: Gray's Setting Anatomy and Pathology
Post by: Superfluous Crow on September 30, 2010, 12:11:40 PM
Ah, yes, Cr. Fritos, this issue has been adressed and you have been properly referenced as an expert on the field.