Now that the show has premiered and everyone has had a chance to see it on Hulu (http://www.hulu.com/watch/99870/stargate-universe-air-parts-1-and-2)what are your guy's onions on and about the show?
I like it a lot. It's a lot darker than the other two Stargates, and has taken on a lot of the positive sides in cinematography, acting, dialog, and tone that has shown up in the best sci-fi shows in recent years (BSG, Firefly). I'll be following it. That's even after (as I have expressed on this site before) not having much of a positive opinion at all of Atlantis and regular ol' SG.
I have to agree, the show is very much darker than the other two SG shows. It's also picked up, as Ish mentioned, much of the modern cinematography that seems to be all the rage. I also like the change in the feel and tone of the music, there's less overwhelming orchestra and more gritty Mass Effect-like tones (which is just great).
Personally, I'm hoping this series evolves into an amalgam of BSG and Lost but firmly rooted in the Stargate mythos.
It was terribad, I really wanted to like this show and was looking forward to it. However it was (IMO) full of lame plot points and idiotic characters.
The flashbacks were a waste of time; it would have been easier and less annoying to simply run it chronologically.
I couldn't get a feel for any of the characters ('cept Eli or, as my roommates and I are calling him, 'Rodney 2.0'), because they were all either 'stoic, reserved and TEH SEKRET BACKSTORY!' or utterly nuts.
The death had no impact, considering the only good things about him were told, not shown, and after his death to boot. Whiny complainer gone, and we're supposed to care why?
I see that the Atlanteans, much like the BSG engineers, have no concept of adequate interior lighting.
The pacing was very, very slow. They arrive, they turn on some lights, seal a hole, and dial the stargate. And it only took them TWO HOURS.
Stargate movie and SG-1 first season... best of them all in my opinion.
Quote from: Stargate525The flashbacks were a waste of time; it would have been easier and less annoying to simply run it chronologically.
That would have been boring, especially for a Pilot (IMO).
Quote from: Stargate525I couldn't get a feel for any of the characters ('cept Eli or, as my roommates and I are calling him, 'Rodney 2.0'), because they were all either 'stoic, reserved and TEH SEKRET BACKSTORY!' or utterly nuts.
This is the pilot meant to spell out where the show is going AND to educate brand new fans about what has come before. On top of that, it's a survival scenario... Characters will be emphasized in later episodes.
Quote from: Stargate525The death had no impact, considering the only good things about him were told, not shown, and after his death to boot. Whiny complainer gone, and we're supposed to care why?
I don't think it was supposed to have great meaning. The point of the death was to show that Eli is socially inadequate and Scott is the white Knight coming to the distraught damsel's side. IMO, this point will be emphasized greatly as the series goes on (thus adding depth to all three characters in the love triangle).
Quote from: Stargate525I see that the Atlanteans, much like the BSG engineers, have no concept of adequate interior lighting.
Technically, it would have been the Alterans, not the Atlanteans... The Lanteans built a wondrous city full of open space and lots of light. The Alterans seem to like stone and closed spaces. Plus we may only be seeing the equivalent of emergency lighting (no one said lights had to be red for them to be of the emergency type).
Quote from: Stargate525The pacing was very, very slow. They arrive, they turn on some lights, seal a hole, and dial the stargate. And it only took them TWO HOURS.
Wow, I had the opposite feeling. The episode was fairly well paced, especially with the flashbacks (which made it seem faster and more fluid).
Quote from: LlumIt was terribad, I really wanted to like this show and was looking forward to it. However it was (IMO) full of lame plot points and idiotic characters.
So you prefer the unrealistic 'keeps cool under world annihilating pressure' hero mentality exemplified in the last two shows? Was the plot really any more lame than Sheppard magically waking all the Wraith or Teal'c pledging his life to 3 prisoners and escaping with a horde of refugees on a heavily fortified planet? Please, this was far better than either SG show's Pilot episodes.
Quote from: Elemental_ElfThat would have been boring, especially for a Pilot (IMO).
But more comprehensible and better-paced. As it stood, after the second flashback, I knew we'd see the whole thing. If we're going to see the whole thing, why not do it in a logical order, instead of breaking it into chunks?
Quote from: Elemental_ElfThis is the pilot meant to spell out where the show is going AND to educate brand new fans about what has come before. On top of that, it's a survival scenario... Characters will be emphasized in later episodes.
Emphasized, sure, but they don't have a personality. It's Eli, and wooden blocks 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Quote from: Elemental_ElfI don't think it was supposed to have great meaning. The point of the death was to show that Eli is socially inadequate and Scott is the white Knight coming to the distraught damsel's side. IMO, this point will be emphasized greatly as the series goes on (thus adding depth to all three characters in the love triangle).
And which one's Scott? And I'm pretty sure you're wrong on the 'no meaning' bit. With the amount of wailing, blubbering, and heroic grief shots that went on, I'm pretty sure the viewer was supposed to feel it too. Unfortunately, all I got was a sense of them making a big deal out of it. He felt like a redshirt, and died a redshirt's death.
Quote from: Stargate525Technically, it would have been the Alterans, not the Atlanteans... The Lanteans built a wondrous city full of open space and lots of light. The Alterans seem to like stone and closed spaces. Plus we may only be seeing the equivalent of emergency lighting (no one said lights had to be red for them to be of the emergency type).
Same culture, just on a different point. Alterans, Atlanteans, Ancients...
But I'll concede the point if the lighting improves at all.
Quote from: Stargate525Wow, I had the opposite feeling. The episode was fairly well paced, especially with the flashbacks (which made it seem faster and more fluid).
We didn't learn anything. Nothing actually happened!
Quote from: Elemental_ElfSo you prefer the unrealistic 'keeps cool under world annihilating pressure' hero mentality exemplified in the last two shows? Was the plot really any more lame than Sheppard magically waking all the Wraith or Teal'c pledging his life to 3 prisoners and escaping with a horde of refugees on a heavily fortified planet? Please, this was far better than either SG show's Pilot episodes.
Actually, yes. Forgive me for wanting my heroes to have some semblance of a heroic personality. If they are to save the world, defend the city, do whatever it is they're doing, I want them to actually do it, not sit around spouting cryptic phrases, acting like assholes, and wailing. Do most of that offscreen; it's not what I came to see.
On Pilots:
SG-1: We assemble the team, learn about how the stargate works, encounter the main enemies, defeat the main enemies, and solve the episode's beginning 'hook' (the kidnappings).
Atlantis: We arrive at the city, discover the main power issue, meet the main villains, get kidnapped, deal with some technology, and solve the kidnappings.
Universe: We arrive on the ship, wail about our lot in life, discover a hole, wail about our lot in life, fix the hole, find some hovering cameras, have angst, and wail about our lot in life.
How is the last one in the same caliber, again?
QuoteSo you prefer the unrealistic 'keeps cool under world annihilating pressure' hero mentality exemplified in the last two shows?
Was the plot really any more lame than Sheppard magically waking all the Wraith or Teal'c pledging his life to 3 prisoners and escaping with a horde of refugees on a heavily fortified planet?[/quote]Please, this was far better than either SG show's Pilot episodes.[/quote]
That's your opinion and your welcome to it.
Quote from: Llum3. They didn't forsee someone sacrificing themselves even though it was obvious as soon as you seen the broken door plot point and then we have to watch some lame emotive blindsided BS.
Better question: WHY DIDN'T THEY USE ONE OF THE EYEBALLS TO PUSH THE BUTTON?!
Quote from: Llum3. They didn't forsee someone sacrificing themselves even though it was obvious as soon as you seen the broken door plot point and then we have to watch some lame emotive blindsided BS.
Fucking THANK YOU!!!!
Good lord, its the first thing I thought of, I am extremely happy I'm not the only person who seen this glaring mistake.
Quote from: LlumQuote from: LlumAt least those were exciting.
Atlantis- definitely. SG-1, not really.
Quote from: LlumThat's your opinion and your welcome to it.
And I'm sticking to it! :D
Quote from: Stargate525Better question: WHY DIDN'T THEY USE ONE OF THE EYEBALLS TO PUSH THE BUTTON?!
The implication of them trying over and over again was that they tried the Kino ball. Hell they specifically mentioned that someone had to be in there. On a perfect ship they could have shut the door from the bridge but this is hardly a perfect ship.
Quote from: Stargate525But more comprehensible and better-paced. As it stood, after the second flashback, I knew we'd see the whole thing. If we're going to see the whole thing, why not do it in a logical order, instead of breaking it into chunks?
I think the point of not doing it in the logical order was to add to the immediacy of the situation, the viewer, like the characters, were left with a feeling of not knowing what was really going on initially. Plus the logical way would have required more time simply for the transitions. :(
Quote from: Stargate525Emphasized, sure, but they don't have a personality. It's Eli, and wooden blocks 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Granted we didn't get to see (or vicariously interact with) many of what appear to be main characters but I'd hardly call everyone a wooden block...
Quote from: Stargate525And which one's Scott? And I'm pretty sure you're wrong on the 'no meaning' bit. With the amount of wailing, blubbering, and heroic grief shots that went on, I'm pretty sure the viewer was supposed to feel it too. Unfortunately, all I got was a sense of them making a big deal out of it. He felt like a redshirt, and died a redshirt's death.
Scott was the one Chloe (the Senator's daughter) was comforted by on the observation deck.
I have a feeling this show is going to have more than a few Lost style flashbacks, which will probably showcase how the Senator really was not what she said he was, or the inverse, we learn more about him through her emo flashbacks :P
Quote from: Stargate525Same culture, just on a different point. Alterans, Atlanteans, Ancients...
But I'll concede the point if the lighting improves at all.
We all want better lighting but what with the Canadian Dollar being so strong... They have to cut some where and it looks like the producers chose lighting. I'm sure the Green lovers out there are applauding their decision to conserve electricity by not installing enough lights! :P
Quote from: Stargate525Actually, yes. Forgive me for wanting my heroes to have some semblance of a heroic personality. If they are to save the world, defend the city, do whatever it is they're doing, I want them to actually do it, not sit around spouting cryptic phrases, acting like assholes, and wailing. Do most of that offscreen; it's not what I came to see.
Well these are the wrong people who weren't meant to be on the Destiny. I'm sure they'll grow more heroic once they fix the life support system and have the weight of impending doom lifted from their shoulders. :)
Quote from: Stargate525On Pilots:
SG-1: We assemble the team, learn about how the stargate works, encounter the main enemies, defeat the main enemies, and solve the episode's beginning 'hook' (the kidnappings).
Ok I can see that but we also had stiff, stereotypical acting and a patently unrealistic plot.
Quote from: Stargate525Atlantis: We arrive at the city, discover the main power issue, meet the main villains, get kidnapped, deal with some technology, and solve the kidnappings.
Yeah... Can't deny that one. Atlantis' pilot was good but really only because Shepard carried it, everyone else was stiff and meh (plus I hated Ford). I still say the Pilot was unrealistic but indeed better than SG-1's.
Quote from: Stargate525Universe: We arrive on the ship, wail about our lot in life, discover a hole, wail about our lot in life, fix the hole, find some hovering cameras, have angst, and wail about our lot in life.
How is the last one in the same caliber, again?
Life does suck though, especially when you only have a day to live and a crazy scientist is trying to take command and your only recourse is a green horned Officer...
QuoteWow, I have to call you out on #2. Plenty of people refuted it, which is what bolstered Scott to man up and take command (the consequences of Rush's power grab should be dealt with post-we're-going-to-die-in-less-than-a-day emergency)
No what they did was bitch and complain then not even use the god damn stones.
Well, then they could have at least put a Kino ball into the scene where they talk about doing it over and over. Bad editing then, hardly something that enamors me with the show ~~
As for the Senators sacrifice being heroic, he was the most logical choice, he was essentially dead anyway.
Colonel Jack O'Neill is unamused by your fanboyish bickering
(http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7926709204/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/04/01/17037763-jack.jpg)
(btw in case you guys didn't catch it, I'm joking :P)
Quote from: LlumQuote from: LlumWell, then they could have at least put a Kino ball into the scene where they talk about doing it over and over. Bad editing then, hardly something that enamors me with the show ~~
That could have worked rather well... Well mistakes are always made early on, hopefully they'll change their ways.
As for the Senators sacrifice being heroic, he was the most logical choice, he was essentially dead anyway.
QuoteYou don't stone the devil when he's the only one who knows enough to get you home
I meant the Ancient Communication Devices
Quote from: LlumQuoteYou don't stone the devil when he's the only one who knows enough to get you home
Oh... Well they needed to get beyond the immediate threat before worrying about Earth... Of course sending Rush to the planet will give the military leader (his name escapes me) a chance to use those stones and establish proper contact... Unless they were stupid enough to not get the stones back from Rush...
Ugh.
QuoteUnless they were stupid enough to not get the stones back from Rush...
This is what happened
Quote from: LlumQuoteUnless they were stupid enough to not get the stones back from Rush...
:facepalm:
Considering all Rush did was stand around and spout cryptic nonsense, I can't imagine he's proactive enough to hide them all that well.
I think Rush is ment to destroy the perfect "genius" character type that saves everyone in the other SG's. Carter was miss perfect, rodney was arrogant but still happily pulls everyone's ass out of the fire, Rush on the other hand...
The commercials for the next episode show the commander talking to O'Neill as SGC, i imagine using the stones.
I don't like the character (not actor) of super fanboy Eli.
What the hell happened to Lou Dimond Phillips? I was hoping he was going to be a main character but it seems he will just be a regular in the SGC scenes. (like O'Niell)
The "Gritty" "New aged" "BSG Style" sexc scene just wasent necessary. It was just to "adult it up", it felt really out of place.
I expect or rather demand a certain level of Richard Dean Anderson humor.
However all in all I liked it.
Oh and since everyone is comparing the pilots of the three series, i think there is a much simpler comparison.
Original SG, They figure out a seventh Chevron and the gate opens to another world.
Atlantas: They add an eight Chevron and the gate opens to another Galaxy.
Universe: They add a nineth Chevron and the gate opens to the Ship.
I swear to God if they start another series by adding another Chevron, as much as i love the show, i am going to hurt somebody real bad...
Quote from: Kaptn'LathOriginal SG, They figure out a seventh Chevron and the gate opens to another world.
Atlantas: They add an eight Chevron and the gate opens to another Galaxy.
To be fair, the original movie had seven chevrons, and SG-1 had already established the purpose of the eighth chevron when O'Neill got the ancient database downloaded into his head.
And that reminds me... Why in God's name did the stargate have EARTH'S unique point-of-origin chevron?
Quote from: Elemental_ElfPersonally, I'm hoping this series evolves into an amalgam of BSG and Lost but firmly rooted in the Stargate mythos.
Nothing personal, but I really hope that this doesn't happen.
I have watched the pilot twice now; the second time was just as bad as the first. I could go on to say what I thought was wrong with the show, but everyone else here as already said it.
It very disappointing, I was expecting something in the vain of the last two series, what I saw was some watered down version of BSG mixed with Star Trek: Voyager. I'll give it one more episode before I give up on it.
I also find it interesting that Stargate is following Star Trek on the premises of their spin-offs.
Quote from: XXsiriusXXI also find it interesting that Stargate is following Star Trek on the premises of their spin-offs.
SG-1 as TNG, Atlantis as DS9, and Universe as Voyager?
An interesting comparison...
Quote from: Stargate525And that reminds me... Why in God's name did the stargate have EARTH'S unique point-of-origin chevron?
The 9 chevron address is meant to connect to a specific gate regardless of its stellar position in the universe. Perhaps the point of origin is not Earth's but in fact the Galactic Point of Origin. The Ancients' civilization was centered on Earth...
I don't have proof of this but it seems logical enough to me.
Quote from: XXsiriusXXI'll give it one more episode before I give up on it.
To be brutally honest, if I had been able to watch the first two episodes of SG-1 (or hell the entire first season) when the show first premiered, I would have given up on it. The show had horrible writing, shallow characters, predictable plots and stiff acting. There was little there that could have enticed me to stay.
Thinking about it, I could say the same thing about TNG... Actually TNG didn't become good until they got rid of those Spandex Uniforms... :)
Quote from: Stargate525SG-1 as TNG, Atlantis as DS9, and Universe as Voyager
I noticed this, too. I wonder if it's just because you can only do so much with a sci-fi spinoff tv series, or if they're just that unoriginal. I guess if they do another series and it's a prequel, it seals the deal. Too bad there won't be feature films.... :P
Anyway, I wasn't wild about this one either. Too much BSG-esque grit and desperation.
I'm not seeing the Atlantis-DS9 correlation.
- Both are Sequels
- Both center on a 'space city'.
- There's tension between two power groups with in the city (Bajorans-Starfleet, Civilian-Military).
- Both wound up using a lot more Space Ships than originally intended.
- Both have a premise of dealing with an overpowering external threat
Because all of those could be applied to SG-1, save for the 'space city' and sequel bits.
EDIT: The other two correlations make a lot of sense but Atlantis-DS9 not so much.
Quote from: Kaptn'LathWhat the hell happened to Lou Dimond Phillips? I was hoping he was going to be a main character but it seems he will just be a regular in the SGC scenes. (like O'Niell)
This leads me to believe we're going to either a) see a lot of use out of those ancient stones OR b) there's going to be a lot of Lost style flash backs. Unless Lou Diamond Phillips made it on to the ship and decided not to make himself known...
Quote from: Kaptn'LathI expect or rather demand a certain level of Richard Dean Anderson humor.
I thought the 'We'll beam you up to our Space Ship' comment was very funny... But yes, I demand more RDA humor!
QuoteLou Diamond Phillips
Pretty sure he died
Quote from: LlumQuoteLou Diamond Phillips
He's listed as a re-occurring character though...
he was in an F-302 (i don't think the one that crashed) and Carter said that they beamed everyone outside the base onto the Hammond (love the name by the way), i think he survived and will be in the SGC scenes
Quote from: Elemental_ElfQuote from: XXsiriusXXI'll give it one more episode before I give up on it.
To be brutally honest, if I had been able to watch the first two episodes of SG-1 (or hell the entire first season) when the show first premiered, I would have given up on it. The show had horrible writing, shallow characters, predictable plots and stiff acting. There was little there that could have enticed me to stay.
Thinking about it, I could say the same thing about TNG... Actually TNG didn't become good until they got rid of those Spandex Uniforms... :)
You are right, the first season of sg-1 was rather weak, and I think RDA really carried that show during that time. I know the only reason I tuned in was because I liked the movie and because I wanted to see 'MacGyver in space'. It wasn't until about mid way through season 2 when the writers started turning the main characters into people and not clichés.
As for TNG, it took a full season after they got rid of the spandex uniforms before it got any better. Even then it was still hit or miss for a good episode, until about season 5.
As for watching it, I have always found something in the pilot of a show that makes me want to come back/keep watching it. I didn't see anything in SGU that I found worth sticking around for, which is kind of sad because I really like the SG universe.
Quote from: sparkletwistQuote from: Stargate525SG-1 as TNG, Atlantis as DS9, and Universe as Voyager
I noticed this, too. I wonder if it's just because you can only do so much with a sci-fi spinoff tv series, or if they're just that unoriginal. I guess if they do another series and it's a prequel, it seals the deal. Too bad there won't be feature films.... :P
They are just unoriginal.
Quote from: Elemental_ElfI'm not seeing the Atlantis-DS9 correlation.
- Both are Sequels
- Both center on a 'space city'.
- There's tension between two power groups with in the city (Bajorans-Starfleet, Civilian-Military).
- Both wound up using a lot more Space Ships than originally intended.
- Both have a premise of dealing with an overpowering external threat
Because all of those could be applied to SG-1, save for the 'space city' and sequel bits.
EDIT: The other two correlations make a lot of sense but Atlantis-DS9 not so much.
The same can be said for TNG, DS9, and Voyager, or any spin-off that is closely related to its parent show. Its not that Atlantis follows closely to DS9, but for the reasons that you listed above as well as being SG-1 first spin-off is what makes it this franchises DS9.
A few other similarities between DS9 and Atlantis: (most of these may just be cosmetic, but they are still there)
Both DS9 and Atlantis are built by non-humans and are occupied/controlled by humans.
Puddle jumper = runabout
Each has the ability to access a unique section of space; DS9 with the wormhole to the gamma quadrant; Atlantis access from the Pegasus Galaxy to the Milky Way Galaxy.
Both are accessed by a wormhole.
Both wormholes were created by very powerful begins who have no/no longer have corporal forms (this does carry over all of the SG universe, but still it is rather more then coincidental)
Both are a little darker then their predecessor
Quote from: XXsiriusXXYou are right, the first season of sg-1 was rather weak, and I think RDA really carried that show during that time. I know the only reason I tuned in was because I liked the movie and because I wanted to see 'MacGyver in space'. It wasn't until about mid way through season 2 when the writers started turning the main characters into people and not clichés.
MacGyver in Space? Ha, that show would be awesome! Too bad Carter was the true MacGyver of SG-1 :( :)
Quote from: XXsiriusXXAs for TNG, it took a full season after they got rid of the spandex uniforms before it got any better. Even then it was still hit or miss for a good episode, until about season 5.
True enough. The show really became all it could be after 'The Best of Both Worlds pt. 1 & 2' but yeah Season 5 onward has the highest density of quality episodes.
Quote from: XXsiriusXXAs for watching it, I have always found something in the pilot of a show that makes me want to come back/keep watching it. I didn't see anything in SGU that I found worth sticking around for, which is kind of sad because I really like the SG universe.
Stargate has brought me such joy over the years that I am inclined to at least tune my TV in on the first airing of the show if only to get the show past the first season hump. :)
Quote from: XXsiriusXXThe same can be said for TNG, DS9, and Voyager, or any spin-off that is closely related to its parent show. Its not that Atlantis follows closely to DS9, but for the reasons that you listed above as well as being SG-1 first spin-off is what makes it this franchises DS9.
A few other similarities between DS9 and Atlantis: (most of these may just be cosmetic, but they are still there)
Both DS9 and Atlantis are built by non-humans and are occupied/controlled by humans.
Puddle jumper = runabout
Each has the ability to access a unique section of space; DS9 with the wormhole to the gamma quadrant; Atlantis access from the Pegasus Galaxy to the Milky Way Galaxy.
Both are accessed by a wormhole.
Both wormholes were created by very powerful begins who have no/no longer have corporal forms (this does carry over all of the SG universe, but still it is rather more then coincidental)
Both are a little darker then their predecessor
I can totally see where people are drawing the correlations but, I was more thinking about the themes of DS9 vs. Atlantis and how, in the end, DS9 became much more embroiled in Alpha Quadrant politics while fighting the Dominion... Which feels more like the last 2 seasons of SG-1 (i.e. the Tau'ri, the Lucian Alliance and the Jaffa Nation all bickering with each other vs. big over-whelming external threat of the Ori). :)
Quote from: Elemental_ElfMacGyver in Space? Ha, that show would be awesome! Too bad Carter was the true MacGyver of SG-1 :( :)
It would be an awesome show.
Quote from: Elemental_ElfI can totally see where people are drawing the correlations but, I was more thinking about the themes of DS9 vs. Atlantis and how, in the end, DS9 became much more embroiled in Alpha Quadrant politics while fighting the Dominion... Which feels more like the last 2 seasons of SG-1 (i.e. the Tau'ri, the Lucian Alliance and the Jaffa Nation all bickering with each other vs. big over-whelming external threat of the Ori). :)
Ah, I see now. I had forgotten a lot of seasons 9 and 10, but the point is very valid.
I'm going to have to be probably the only person to say that I really dislike the Battle Star Galactica feel that SGU has, what with the shakey cameras and the apparent focus on romance (I heard one of the actors saying "this show is definitely sexier than the original"). We're jokingly calling it "Battle Stargatelactica" around my house.
But, after seeing the first episode, I feel that I like the main characters well enough.
[spoiler]I especially like that the senator guy was selfless enough to become an hero to give everyone else a chance.[/spoiler]
I'll give it a shot. It's on my DVR record list.
Quote from: XeviatI'm going to have to be probably the only person to say that I really dislike the Battle Star Galactica feel that SGU has, what with the shakey cameras and the apparent focus on romance (I heard one of the actors saying "this show is definitely sexier than the original"). We're jokingly calling it "Battle Stargatelactica" around my house.
Agreed. Completely agreed.
And if 'sexier' means 'actual sex on-screen' then I'll take the built-up rapport that Carter and O'Neill had, thanks.
Quote from: Stargate525And if 'sexier' means 'actual sex on-screen' then I'll take the built-up rapport that Carter and O'Neill had, thanks.
I was really disappointed when she didn't marry Pete Shanahan (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Pete_Shanahan).
(But yes that sex scene was not warranted nor wanted. They could have just as easily shown the two making out in some hawt fashion. Less is more in my opinion.)
wow a bunch of geek/gamer guys (my self included) complaining about an unnecessary sex scene... Sparkletwist would be proud...
I think the CBG just leveled up.
Just finished watching Air pt. 3.
[spoilers=Just using this until monday (or when ever Hulu posts the episode)]I think some of the characters were definitely fleshed out in this episode, especially Greer, Scott and Rush. Telford (i.e. Lou Diamond Phillips) finally made a showing, if only for a short time.
Frankly, I'm unsure of the ancient stones. Granted they end the reliance on needless amounts of increasingly unlikely means to communicate back home (which was a huge problem I had with Voyager) but, at the same time it seems a little too convenient... Then again it appears the stones will be a key feature of the show and will help ground it in the Stargate mythology (principally, through the use of cameos (can't wait to see Daniel show up!)).
It seems Scott is the leader of the Destiny A-Team. Greer appears to be fill the 'racial minority warrior character who has a strong bond with his CO' slot (a spot previously occupied by both Teal'c and Ronon).
Based upon all the pre-show build up interviews, I didn't think I'd like Eli but, he's growing on me. He seems to be the only rational person on that ship...
Still have not seen much of Ming-Na (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming-Na)'s character, which is a big disappointment. She's a quality actress, who deserves screen time (not just in SGU but in other shows).
Did anyone else find it odd that everyone except Scott, the leader of the away mission, wore Desert camo? Why not Scott too? That heavy black outfit probably hurt him far more than the lack of water in the long run...
Does anyone else feel Jack needs a bit of a tan? I can understand the weight issue but you can hide so much with a good tan... Even a spray on one...
Anyways, it's late, lol [/spoiler]
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Quote from: Elemental_ElfI think some of the characters were definitely fleshed out in this episode, especially Greer, Scott and Rush. Telford (i.e. Lou Diamond Phillips) finally made a showing, if only for a short time.
They did flush them out more, but to me it didn't make Greer or Scott anymore interesting or likeable. If anything it made me really dislike Greer's character, and not in a 'character that you love to hate' way.
Scott some how became more bland then he was in the pilot, which is just odd to me. The small amount of back-story that we get for him is somewhat interesting, but still he is just kind of blah.
Quote from: Elemental_ElfDid anyone else find it odd that everyone except Scott, the leader of the away mission, wore Desert camo? Why not Scott too? That heavy black outfit probably hurt him far more than the lack of water in the long run...
I wondered that to, it seems odd that he wouldn't wear any. They clearly had more Desert camo sets, as shown by the rest of the team wearing it. Maybe they didn't have any in his size? lol
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Ok, we're 6 episodes in. We've seen the ship evolve from a state of utter hopelessness to a survivable situation. We've met one race of beings who have proved semi-sentient. Other than that we've not met any truly sentient aliens.
Many of the characters have evolved and changed but on the whole we still haven't truly met any of the characters outside of Rush and Eli (and maybe Scott and Young). The ensemble nature of the show seems to be hampering any true emotional attachment to any character that aren't thrust in our face every few minutes (like Rush and Eli).
The 6th episode seemed a bit contrived, IMO, so as to illustrate Eli's naivete and (once again) show us that Clara sees Rush as an inhuman monster. Yay! >:(
I'm still wondering why the ship decided it needed to get hydrogen and/or helium from the sun instead of, you know, the colder, denser, and more easily obtainable hydrogen and helium that would be found in the gas giant the ship used to brake.
Quote from: Stargate525I'm still wondering why the ship decided it needed to get hydrogen and/or helium from the sun instead of, you know, the colder, denser, and more easily obtainable hydrogen and helium that would be found in the gas giant the ship used to brake.
Perhaps it was also using the massive magnetic energy of the Sun to do something... I mean these are the same people who invented batteries that suck vacuum energy from a parallel dimension...
(Plus we all know the whole going into the sun issue was made for the express purpose of a cliffhanger and a really cool cg scene. :) )
[spoiler=Episode 7]Finally, we have an enemy! [/spoiler]
So episode 11 is in the can and I have to say, I think things may be looking up for the series. Let us hope they keep this up or lest I may not continue to watch.
Maybe ... "something" happened at least. I just really don't like that the went away from the formula of Star Gate shows. Star Gate used to be my Sci-Fi D&D show. Heck, I was about to work on a campaign with its structure in mind. I didn't like Battlestar Galactica anyway.
After having watched all of Battlestar, this show pales by comparison.
I mean I'm a devoted Gater and even I'm questioning whether to continue to watch this show... I think it may get better... I hope it gets better. More of these Blue aliens will definitely help...
Another episode down... At least something happened... Kind of...
The best part of this episode was seeing DANIEL JACKSON will be in the next episode *giddy*
Agreed. On the teaser, they could have just gone
'Next time on Stargate: Universe...
DANIEL JACKSON!'
*End*
And why syfy is trying to disavow sicence fiction shows, I'll never figure out. It's one of the only places that still actually shows the stuff.
Quote from: Stargate525Agreed. On the teaser, they could have just gone
'Next time on Stargate: Universe...
DANIEL JACKSON!'
*End*
You're preaching to the Choir!
Quote from: Stargate525And why syfy is trying to disavow sicence fiction shows, I'll never figure out. It's one of the only places that still actually shows the stuff.
I think they changed their name because they a) aired fantasy shows as well as non-sci-fi shows like WWE Raw (ugh) and b) they wanted to trade mark their channel name so they could brand them selves on cups and t-shirts. Plus, Sci-Fi is always going to be a niche genre, so if they can trick people into tuning in... I guess that's good?
Of course every nerd I know now calls the channel SeeFee...
Quote from: Elemental_Elf I think they changed their name because they a) aired fantasy shows as well as non-sci-fi shows like WWE Raw (ugh) and b) they wanted to trade mark their channel name so they could brand them selves on cups and t-shirts. Plus, Sci-Fi is always going to be a niche genre, so if they can trick people into tuning in... I guess that's good?
Unfortunately...
'The name Sci Fi has been associated with geeks and dysfunctional, antisocial boys in their basements with video games and stuff like that, as opposed to the general public and the female audience in particular...We spent a lot of time in the '90s trying to distance the network from science fiction, which is largely why it's called Sci Fi.'
That coming from the channel FOUNDER.
Quote from: Stargate525trying to distance the network from science fiction
Which is why they show lots of stupid horror movies, ghost hunting reality shows, oh and pro wrestling!
GREAT!
Quote from: sparkletwistQuote from: Stargate525trying to distance the network from science fiction
Which is why they show lots of stupid horror movies, ghost hunting reality shows, oh and pro wrestling!
GREAT!
Well Ghost hunting is sort of Sci-Fi... And Horror can be Sci-Fi-ish... But the Wrestling is inexcusable.
Just finished watching all the episodes for Season 2 released thus far.
With the notable exception of episode 5, this season is heads above the last in every way.
Well, the show was canceled.
And now we have no Stargate show.
I hope all the haters who never gave this show a shot (not any one here but I know a lot of people who refused to watch it period) are happy.
I'm sad that the overplot finally reared its head at the "end" of the second season. They're looking for God, or something like it.
The show's fundamental failing was having too many characters that had substantial screen time: there were side characters in the first two series, and they had an episode here and there, but only after you saw them in passing long enough to be curious. Both had the main team, the boss, and the doctor, and you got to know and love these characters (Atlantis even dropped one and brought him back as a villain).
Universe tried to do this with Scott, Eli, Chloe, and what's his face, making them into an off world team, but that lasted for a whole two episodes. And it wasn't a great dynamic anyway.
Did anyone else here hate Chloe? My wife absolutely hated her.
I only saw the first half of season 1, since I don't have cable and they were releasing them in half seasons on blu ray. But I was looking forward to seeing more. It's a shame. Not sure whether I'll bother buying any more if it got caned prematurely, though. I hate getting invested in something only to see it without resolution.
Quote from: Elemental_ElfWell, the show was canceled.
And now we have no Stargate show.
Good riddance. We had no Stargate before, either.
We had some crappy gloomy BSG-ish soap opera that called itself "Stargate."
I'm in agreement with Sparkletwist on this. I stopped watching near the end of the first season when I realized that I still couldn't name all of the characters, and that the show would never get any lighter (not in tone, physically lighter; the cinematography was pathetic on that account. You built these amazing sets, lets us SEE THEM).
It's a pity, because this two-season piece of crap had probably sunk the franchise.