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Homebrews (Archived) / Great Lakes Earth Map
September 01, 2018, 09:03:57 PM
[spoiler=Great Lakes Earth Map][/spoiler]


In the event anyone asks--dark brown are the mountains, light brown are the resulting uplands and black are the original extent of flood basalt lava provinces visible today and with no consideration of erosion.



Let us say that, in the future, some scientists have created satellites capable of something that seems science fiction for now — punching the walls of the universe to study an alternate reality. By that scenario, some hundreds of "alternate Earths" from hundreds of alternate universes would already have been discovered and meticulously studied. As much as half of them would still be ruled by humans, unfolded by events that turned out differently. One universe, for example, had an Earth where 9/11 never happened, or where the outcome of the Revolutionary and Civil Wars ended up differently.

One of the most interesting to note was a planet that scientists call "Alternate Earth 111", known to the public as "Great Lakes Earth".
Why?

Because at first glance, it seemed that almost every continent is dominated by lakes, even those larger than the Great Lakes that we have in North America.


The Americas
The Appalachian Range used to exist, but all that remains nowadays are their metamorphic bedrocks. Since then, the Atlantic Coast is a labyrinth of islands, straits, channels and sounds, making New England the eastern equivalent of the Inside Passage, caused by five million years of being repeatedly scraped and bulldozed by ice. The terrain is not quite dramatic, the tallest above sea level being only 122.2 feet (37.25 meters.)

While our Rockies stand no taller than 14,440 feet above sea level, the tallest peak in a Great Lakes Rockies is measured to be 20,310 feet. Back home, our Rockies formed between 80 and 55 million years ago through the Laramide Orogeny, the subduction of the North American and Pacific plates at a shallow angle. Their Rockies first formed 55 million years ago as the result of a collision between eastern and western North America. They stopped becoming active as recently as nine million years ago. Since then, a series of faulting had shed off the mountains' sedimentary skin and exposed the tougher granite-and-gneiss core. No wonder, then, that transdimensional explorer Mark Greene called the Great Lakes Earth Rockies "a single, continuous spine of breathtaking Tetons." West of the Rockies stands an uplift varying in elevation above sea level between 2,000 and 13,000 feet (between 610 and 3962 meters.)

Minor differences in geological history could create major differences in geographical shape. Without the Cascades or the Alaska Range, the distinctively whiplike Alaskan Peninsula simply does not exist. The area we'd recognize as San Andreas (Baja Peninsula and southwestern California) is fused into what we'd call southeastern Alaska. Evidence in the rocks beneath the soil shows that San Andreas did indeed collide with Alaska only 24 million years ago, but the mountain-building period did not last long, and the peaks were reduced into quarter-mile-tall hills.

The Black Hills of South Dakota don't exist on Great Lakes Earth. The Ozarks, larger in area and elevation than back home, are the closest analogy. The tallest stands 7242 feet (2207 meters) above sea level. They started life as a dome of granite that, over millions of years, had been replenished with fresh supplies of magma. This allowed the crystals that made the granite dramatically larger, making the rock itself a lot harder. After 2.2 billion years under the surface, the dome popped above sea level only as recently as 20 million years ago. Even though rain and river played a part in carving the dome into numerous spires, pillars and gorges, the real player in shaping the Ozarks is lower air pressure, exfoliating the surface into pieces like layers of onions.

True to the spirit of the planet's name, North America is full of large lakes. The largest of which is Agassiz. In fact, it is the cornerstone of all of Great Lakes Earth's great lakes — enormous depressions, tectonic rifts or volcanic calderas reshaped and filled in by ice, rain and river. To have an idea on the shape, size and scope of Agassiz, we must look at the familiar faces of the Great Lakes — Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie and Ontario — and then flood off the entire basin. This is Lake Agassiz, 95,000 square miles and 5500 feet at its deepest. Agassiz started out as an impact crater 600 miles wide by an iron asteroid approximating 75 miles in diameter which slammed on that spot 230 million years ago. The crater, quickly filled up by basaltic lava, wouldn't become a lake until the ice bulldozed the flood basalt away during the Pleistocene glaciations.

West of the Rockies, there are even more lakes—Bonneville, Carson, Olympia, Hamilton and Red Deer. All of them formed separately late during the Cenozoic as tectonic weaknesses sank the land, sometimes to the point below sea level. Further shaping the lakes were the last five million years of ice ages strengthening and weakening the freeze-thaw cycles. As a result, not only do they have their distinctive shapes, they are also deep. Bonneville, the deepest, is currently over a thousand feet deep.

What we'd presume to be the Brooks Range in northern Alaska actually isn't. The Murchison Mountains, as we call them, are actually volcanic peaks standing 14,411 feet (4392 meters) above sea level at the tallest. They stand at one of the points where the Arctic Plate sinks beneath the Laurasian Plate.

The Yellowstone mantle plume is still present. Except that instead of Wyoming's northwestern corner, it can be found in northeastern California. The upland itself covers an area of 5,000 square miles and stands almost like an island between the surrounding lakes and lowlands.

Five million years ago, the oceanic Panamanian Plate had been invaded on both fronts—by the Caribbean Plate in the northeast and the Pacific Plate in the southwest. This uplifted the basaltic slab to above sea level and had volcanoes guarding the plateau. The Twins, as they are called, are still active. One twin is currently 6,684 feet above sea level, the other 9,698 feet. Curiously, the Twins make up the coastline of Central America on Great Lakes Earth, which makes sense considering their young age. What doesn't make sense is how they could be so tall in so short a time. The same problem is said of the Andes, which also make up South America's entire western coastline. But if we look at a bathymetrical map, we start to understand why—from Argentina to Guatemala, the Pacific Plate is paralleled by the younger, narrower Nazca Plate. It first formed only ten million years ago and uplifted the Andean coastline for five million years before reaching the Panamanian Plate. This double-subduction may explain why the Andes, 25,122 feet above sea level and still rising, as they have been for the last 45 million years, had such devastating eruptions in the last 10,000 years, with an average of one eruption measuring eight on the VEI every thousand years.

Andean uplift notwithstanding, there is a transition between northern and southern South America—a transition separated by 2,891 feet of elevation. That is because from 250 to 200 million years ago, South America's southern half was part of an uplifted plateau much like Tibet back home. The more recent uplift of the Andes nearly attempted to resurface that past.

Questions follow:



Are these changes enough to spare northeastern Nebraska from the onslaught of Tornado Alley without sacrificing the Midwest's prairie fertility in the process?
Will all these lakes and rivers (not pictured) turn the Wild West into a greener Eden?
How much of the Amazon Basin will be contained within South America?
What kind of landscapes should I expect to see in Argentina and Brazil?



Eurasia
Physically absent in the supercontinent are Turkey, Iran, and the Low Countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg and Denmark). Back home, Scandinavia is one of Earth's recognizable peninsulas. On Great Lakes Earth, the body we'd recognize as the Baltic Sea is actually known as the Baltic Plain. It is all that's left of a mountain-building process from 250 to 200 million years ago that connected Scandinavia to the rest of Europe.

Long ago, the British Isles used to be an extension of mainland Europe before splitting off 100 million years ago. Proof — the very shape of the sea that we back home would call the Low Countries.

The dominating feature of Asia is a large region of basaltic rock, the Siberian Traps. It formed as a series of eruptions spewed out lava 60 to 43 million years ago. Since most of northern Asia was a receding series of shallow seas at the time, the eruptions resulted in only two types of lava—pillow lava (underwater lava that is low in both gas and viscosity) and block lava (what could happen when lava that is high in viscosity but low on gas erupts underwater.) In time, as sea levels kept on receding, the lava eruptions shifted to columnar (like the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland back home), lava-fountain and dome-building. Each eruption could last anywhere between 10,000 and 60,000 years, with breaks varying between 30,000 and 80,000 years. When the last eruption had finished, seven million square miles of Eurasia were buried under four million cubic miles of lava.

Eurasia is subject to Great Lakes Earth's largest sea, one that we used to have back home — the Tethys. Back home, the Mediterranean has an average depth of 1500 meters and a maximum of 5267. The Tethys' depth is 1205 meters on average and 7,000 maximum. Even so, the ratio between deep and shallow water is remarkably similar to that of the Mediterranean — more or less than 45% of the sea is no deeper than 200 meters (the required maximum depth for a sea to be "shallow"). It's also connected to two oceans with two different personalities — the Indian to the east and the Atlantic to the west. What we'd recognize as the Arabian Peninsula is, on Great Lakes Earth, an extension of northeastern Africa, erasing both the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden out of existence. This further widens the passage from the Indian Ocean to the Tethys.

The island of Newfoundland is the southeastern extension of Iceland. It stands at a point where a stationary mantle plume, loaded with silicon, stands at a crossroads between the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the edge of the Arctic Plate. Unlike our Iceland, in which the Ridge has split it in east-west, the Iceland of Great Lakes Earth is split in a north-south division.

In Asia, what looks to us like Borneo is a big extension of eastern India, erasing the Bay of Bengal from the map. Sumatra is an extension of India's western coast. The rest of Indonesia, as well as the island chain of the Philippines and the Malay Peninsula, don't exist.

Back home, the Himalayan range in Asia is impressive enough. On Great Lakes Earth, they are even more so. The highest peak, Kailash, stands 33,500 feet (10,210.8 meters) above sea level and still rising. If the base of Mauna Kea in Hawaii were above sea level, this would have been its equal. Their Himalayas are older than ours, if the differences in height suggest anything. Ours first formed 50 million years ago. Theirs rose from the plains between 65 and 70 million years ago.

65 million years ago, sub-Himalayan Asia was subject to a series of lava eruptions lasting a total of 30,000 years. When it was all over, the lava covered a thickness exceeding one mile, an area of one-and-a-half million square miles and a volume greater than one million cubic miles.

The islands of Japan on Great Lakes Earth are the result of subductive hot spots, stationary mantle plumes standing in the intersections of colliding plates, as well as a confusing labyrinth of fault lines. Japan, consisting of six large hotspots, stands three miles southeast of the Laurasian Plate and five northwest of the Pacific Plate. The fact that the mountains make up the coastlines suggest that Japan on Great Lakes Earth formed very recently—no longer, it's been surmised, than 11 million years. Like the Andes, Japan was subject to massive, earth-destroying eruptions.

The Alps remain tall, as they are back home. However, they are formed as the result of a piece of Africa, known to us as Balk, colliding with southeastern Europe 40 million years ago. Currently, the range's highest peak, Olympus, stands 22,838 feet (6961 meters) above sea level and is still rising. Behind the Alps is a plateau that covers lands we'd recognize as Romania, Moldova, Slovenia, Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. Also, Balk's terrain on Great Lakes Earth consists of plains and hills rather than mountain ranges like back home.

The Scandes, stretching the length of the northern Scandinavian coast, are the results of ocean/continent collisions — volcanoes. They are also taller than they are back home — 18,510 feet (5642 meters) above sea level and still rising.

The Ural, Caucasus, Pyrenees and Apennine mountain chains used to exist on Great Lakes Earth, but not anymore.

Questions follow:

With open connections to both the Indian and the Atlantic, what would the Tethys's personality be?
Will a higher Himalayas — which means a higher Tibetan Plateau — pose any noticeable differences on India's climate and precipitation, as well as Tibet's ecosystem?
Would adding Borneo and Sumatra pose any difference to the climate and landscape of the Indian subcontinent?
With the rest of Indonesia, the Philippines and the Malay Peninsula out of existence, how would this absence affect ocean currents?
How would all this added water affect the Mediterranean Basin as well as the Indian monsoon?
Concerning the Siberian Traps, 40 million years of erosion would mean an altogether different Russian landscape, no doubt, but to what extent? Would we still see vast, singular bands of boreal forests and steppes, or would we expect to see Russia hosting a wider variety of habitats?
Would a larger Deccan Traps pose any difference to the 65 million years of erosion?
How would the changes in mountain building and coastlining affect the climate and landscape of the rest of Europe?



Africa
To the naked eye, you may not see any difference between our Africa and theirs. However, like some of the other continents, Africa has its share of great lakes — Chad, Congo and Makgadikgadi. Lake Makgadikgadi, the southernmost, is also the youngest—100 feet (30 meters) at the deepest and formed as water flowing from the Aden Bahçesi inundated a series of fault lines only three million years ago.

The Atlas Mountains used to exist on Great Lakes Earth, but not anymore.

The defining mountain range of Africa is the Aden Bahçesi, which first formed 45 million years ago as the Indian Plate sank beneath the African Plate. Currently, the tallest peak stands 21,810 feet (6647.7 meters) above sea level and still rising.

Lakes Chad and Congo had a shared history. They originated less than 200 million years ago as a series of horsts and grabens that would quickly be inundated aftewards. It wasn't until 80 million years ago, when the seafloor slowed down and sea levels began to recede, that perhaps the deepest points on Great Lakes Earth during the Cretaceous period, became surrounded by dry land. In time, freshwater diluted the lakes, pushing the salinity deeper and deeper. Today, Lake Congo to the south is 5387 feet at the deepest, the bottom 150 feet being brine. Lake Chad to the north has a maximum depth of 4820 feet, with the Pharaoh's Brine taking up the bottom 67 feet.

Questions follow:

Are any of these changes enough to turn North and South Africa from desert to more verdant habitat, like savanna?
Would having a tropical megalake be enough to pose a noticeable difference to the equatorial climate of the Congo rainforest?




Australia
First and foremost, it's not called "Australia" in Great Lakes Earth, but rather "Sahul". The first major difference is the presence of Lake Eyre, a body of fresh water over 460,000 square miles in area and 49 meters at the deepest.

The northern and eastern coasts of Sahul are worth noticing. To the northwest, it looks as though the two main islands of New Zealand are glued into the mainland. It'd also look as though someone were shoving the island of New Guinea down the throat of mainland Australia, known geographically as the Gulf of Carpentaria. The northern and eastern extremes of Sahul are defined by volcanic mountains, the tallest standing 18,500 feet above sea level.

The final difference is that Sahul is much further south than Australia. So much so, in fact, that by comparison, the distance between it and Antarctica is cut by half.

Questions follow:

Will the Outback still be desert?
In the same scenario, Indonesia and the Philippines don't exist. What kind of ocean current(s) would one expect to see influencing Sahul?
What kind of climatic and ecological influences would we expect Lake Eyre and the continent's closer proximity to Antarctica to create?




Pole to Pole
Compared to our oceans, the Arctic Ocean of Great Lakes Earth seems to have a little elbow room. The reason — the Atlantic on Great Lakes Earth is wider than ours by over 1350 miles. Africa, Eurasia and Sahul have, compared to our Old World, moved that far eastward, creating a landbridge that connects Asia to North America, erasing the Bering Strait off the map and shrinking the Bering Sea. To that extent, it would be like turning the Russian urban locality of Egvekinot (66.3205 degrees North and 179.1184 degrees West) into the next-door neighbor of Teller, Alaska. But that is in our eyes only. On Great Lakes Earth, North America has always been a part of Laurasia for 250 million years.

The island of Greenland looks, to us, rearranged to the extent that Mont Forel, the island's highest peak, is located in 90 degrees North — the North Geographic Pole.

There is a final difference, one that applies also to the Southern Ocean surrounding Antarctica. The ratio between average depth and maximum depth is the same as back home, but the numbers are different. Back home, the Arctic's average depth is only 1205 meters, almost 4,000 feet, whereas its deepest point is 5,625 meters, 18,456 feet. The Southern Ocean averages 4,000 meters deep and has a maximum depth of 7,235. On Great Lakes Earth, the averages for the Arctic and Antarctic oceans are 1652 and 5280 meters, respectively.

Then, of course, there is the Arctic Plate, something that doesn't exist back home. Horizontally cutting Iceland in half, we can find the border straddling the coasts of Baffin Island, Alaska, and Scandinavia, creating the Scandes and the Murchison mountains.

Questions follow:

How would these differences affect ocean currents and polar landscapes?
Could any of these changes have influenced the global average temperature and precipitation? If so, to what extent?




Ocean Deep
Back home, the Pacific Ocean, the largest of the five, has an average depth of 4028 meters, 15,215 feet, and a maximum of 10,924 meters, 35,840 feet. On Great Lakes Earth, the Pacific's depth averages 3854 meters — 12,644 feet — and the maximum is now 7455 meters, 24,459 feet.

Back home, the Indian Ocean averages around 3963 meters deep with a maximum depth of 7258. That's 13,002 and 23,812 feet, respectively. On Great Lakes Earth, the Indian Ocean averages around 3605 meters (11,827 feet) deep and has a maximum depth of 5625 meters (18,454 feet).

The Atlantic Ocean back home has an average depth of 3926 meters, or 10,950 feet and a maximum of 8605 meters, 28,320 feet. On Great Lakes Earth, its average depth is now 4001 meters (13,126 feet), and the maximum is now 7455 meters, the same as the Pacific.

Questions follow:
Would the changes in depth affect ocean currents, therefore the global climate?
#2
Let us say that, in the future, some scientists have created satellites capable of something that seems science fiction for now — punching the walls of the universe to study an alternate reality. By that scenario, some hundreds of "alternate Earths" from hundreds of alternate universes would already have been discovered and meticulously studied. As much as half of them would still be ruled by humans, unfolded by events that turned out differently. One universe, for example, had an Earth where 9/11 never happened, or where the outcome of the Revolutionary and Civil Wars ended up differently.

One of the most interesting to note was a planet that scientists call "Alternate Earth 111", known to the public as "Great Lakes Earth".

Why?

Because at first glance, it seemed that almost every continent is dominated by lakes, even those larger than the Great Lakes that we have in North America. What is its history? What points of divergence would we expect to see in this particular variation?

This proved to be a long, backbreaking investigation because when our alt-satellites picked up Great Lakes Earth, it has discovered traces of civilization — traces roughly 100,000 years old. However, after years of picking up the pieces and speculating on the rest, we believe that we have mapped the entire geography and the best of the history of Great Lakes Earth.

Pangaea (250-200 mya)


From 250 to 200 million years ago, all the continents had joined together to form a singular landmass called Pangaea.

The brown lines presented in the map are mountain ranges varying in height above sea level from 23,000 feet to 33,500 feet. The orange arrows are the directions in which the landmasses were moving which resulted in the mountain-building. The blue circle is, of course, 90 degrees South--the South Geographic Pole. The green circle is our best guess of where 0 degrees--the equator--would be situated.

The Americas
http://i.imgur.com/aGAe0S6.jpg

The Appalachian Range is nowhere to be seen.

The mountains of the American West have some major differences. For starters, only the Rockies stand firm — no Coast Range, no Grand Canyon, no Cascades, no Alaska Range and most certainly no Sierra Nevada.

While our Rockies stand no taller than 14,440 feet above sea level, the tallest peak in a Great Lakes Rockies is measured to be 20,310 feet. Back home, our Rockies formed between 80 and 55 million years ago through the Laramide Orogeny, the subduction of the North American and Pacific Plates at a shallow angle. Their Rockies first formed 80 million years ago as the result of a collision between eastern and western North America. They stopped becoming active as recently as 30 million years ago. The main rocks of the range are schist, granite and gneiss, tough rocks with small vulnerabilities. No wonder, then, that transdimensional explorer Mark Greene called the Great Lakes Earth Rockies "a single, continuous spine of breathtaking Tetons."

West of the Rockies, which could vary in width between 75 and 300 miles, stands a plateau varying in elevation above sea level between 3300 and 16,000 feet. Encrusting the plateau at the top is an igneous province of basalt, half a million square miles in area, 512,000 cubic miles in volume and over 6500 feet at the thickest, the result of lava flooding western North America 65 million years ago.

Without the Cascades or the Alaska Range, the distinctively whiplike Alaskan Peninsula simply does not exist.

The Black Hills of South Dakota don't exist on Great Lakes Earth. The Ozarks, presented in black, are the closest analogy.

True to the spirit of the planet's name, North America is full of large lakes. The largest of which is Agassiz. In fact, it is the cornerstone of all of Great Lakes Earth's great lakes — enormous depressions, tectonic rifts or volcanic calderas reshaped and filled in by ice, rain and river. To have an idea on the shape, size and scope of Agassiz, we must look at the familiar faces of the Great Lakes — Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie and Ontario — and then flood off the entire basin. This is Lake Agassiz, 95,000 square miles and 5500 feet at its deepest. Agassiz started out as a few tectonic depressions that expired some 20 million years ago. They wouldn't become one lake until the ice bulldozed the depressions during the Pleistocene glaciations.

There are great lakes west of the Rockies as well. 80 million years ago, eastern North America collided with western North America, creating the Rocky Mountains. (Though to our eyes, they would've been a spine of Tetons as tall as Denali.) 65 million years ago, western North America became the setting of a horrifying series of flood basalt eruptions, one that totaled up to an area of 1,500,000 square miles, a volume of 512,000 cubic miles and a duration lasting ten to 12,000 years, more than fast enough to create the extinction of 60% of Great Lakes Earth's terrestrial species and 80% of its marine species.

Basalt may have resistance against water erosion. Against uplift, not so much. As the Rockies continued to rise, the increasing pressure buckled the Traps, creating cracks and weak spots that would one day be the lakes and rivers of western North America, Great Lakes Earth. Five million years ago, ice would have played their part, expanding the depressions into large lakes. Lake Bonneville, for example, is 1,000 feet at the deepest.

The Rockies stopped climbing as recently as 30 million years ago, right at the end of the Great Tectonic Uplift. The tallest peak then may have been as tall as Kailash now--33,500 feet above sea level. After 30 million years, the tallest peak is now 20,146 feet above sea level. Behind those rugged peaks is a plateau covering the lands we'd call Nunavut, Northwest Territories, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, the Rio Grande River and finishing in the Mexican regions of Chihuahua, Durango, Sinaloa, Sonora, Coahuila, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, Aguascalientes, Guanajuato, San Luis Potosí and Zacatecas.

The plateau gradually slopes westward, from 16,000 feet above sea level in Lamar, CO to 3300 feet in Tonopah, NV. (Topography presented in the map is not to scale.)


The Yellowstone mantle plume is still present. Except that instead of Wyoming's northwestern corner, it can be found in northeastern California.


Five million years ago, a landbridge formed, connecting North to South America, completely rearranging global ocean currents.  The Gulf Stream now traveled high up to the Arctic, bringing moisture that would later become ice.  The Twins, as they are called, are still active, but both are tall enough to censor migration.  One twin is currently 6,684 feet above sea level, the other 9,698 feet.  Combined, this reduced the Great American Interchange in comparison to the one back home.


In the art of comparing Great Lakes Earth to ours, South America has the shortest list of differences.

The only difference between our Andes and their Andes is height — back home, Aconcagua stands 22,838 feet above sea level. On Great Lakes Earth, the highest peak is 28,251 feet above sea level, as tall as K2 back home. That smaller brown line snaking from Panama and through Colombia and Venezuela is the North Panamanian Twin, the point where the northwesterly-moving South American Plate consumes the basaltic Caribbean Plate. The tallest peak of the North Twin is 9,698 feet above sea level.


This map does not reflect ALL of South America's rivers — just those with a minimum width of ten miles. Even so, that big blank in southern Brazil and Paraguay is the transition between northern and southern South America, a transition separated by 2,891 feet of elevation. That is because from 250 to 200 million years ago, South America's southern half was part of an uplifted plateau much like Tibet back home. The more recent uplift of the Andes (no earlier than 40 million years) nearly attempted to resurface that past.

The average number of Andean eruptions is 50 per century.  Questions follow:


   Are these changes enough to spare northeastern Nebraska from the onslaught of Tornado Alley without sacrificing the Midwest's prairie fertility in the process?
   Will all these lakes and rivers turn the Wild West into a greener Eden?
   How much of the Amazon Basin will be contained within South America?
   What kind of landscapes should I expect to see in Argentina and Brazil?


Eurasia

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Physically absent in the supercontinent are Turkey, Iran, and the Low Countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg and Denmark). Back home, Scandinavia is one of Earth's reconginzable peninsulas. On Great Lakes Earth, the body we'd recognize as the Baltic Sea is dry land.

The dominating feature of Asia is a large region of basaltic rock, the Siberian Traps. It formed as a series of flood eruptions spewed out lava 60 to 43 million years ago. The lava covered an estimated area of eleven million square miles and a volume of four million cubic miles.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Eurasia is subject to Great Lakes Earth's largest sea, one that we used to have back home — the Tethys. Back home, the Mediterranean has an average depth of 1500 meters and a maximum of 5267. The Tethys' depth is 1205 meters on average and 7,000 maximum. Even so, the ratio between deep and shallow water is remarkably similar to that of the Mediterranean — more or less than 45% of the sea is no deeper than 200 meters (the required maximum depth for a sea to be "shallow"). It's also connected to two oceans with two different personalities — the warm Indian to the east and the cooler, nutrient-richer Atlantic to the west.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

The island of Newfoundland is the southeastern extension of Iceland. It stands at a point where a stationary mantle plume stands at a crossroads between the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the edge of the Arctic Plate.
http://i.imgur.com/VW0DgOg.jpg (Warning: 13500x10800 image)

What we'd recognize as the Arabian Peninsula is, on Great Lakes Earth, an extension of northeastern Africa, erasing both the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden out of existence. This further widens the passage from the Indian Ocean to the Tethys.

In Asia, what looks to us like Borneo is a big extension of eastern India, erasing the Bay of Bengal from the map. Sumatra is an extension of India's western coast. The rest of Indonesia, as well as the island chain of the Philippines, don't exist. This leaves the Malay Peninsula dangling on its own.  Back home, the Himalayan range in Asia is impressive enough. On Great Lakes Earth, they are even more so. The highest peak, Kailash, stands 33,500 feet above sea level and still rising. If the base of Mauna Kea in Hawaii were above sea level, this would have been its equal. Their Himalayas are older than ours, if the differences in height suggest anything. Ours first formed 50 million years ago. Theirs rose from the plains 65–70 million years ago.

The islands of Japan on Great Lakes Earth are the result of subductive hot spots, stationary mantle plumes standing in the intersections of colliding plates. Japan, consisting of six large hotspots, stands a mile east of the Northern Plate (yellow) and three west of the Pacific (magenta).
http://i.imgur.com/hNlPmNQ.jpg

The Alps remain tall, as they are back home. This time, though, the range's highest peak, Olympus, stands at almost 23,000 feet above sea level and still rising. Behind the Alps is a plateau that covers lands we'd recognize as Romania, Moldova, Slovenia, Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. Also, the peninsula's terrain on Great Lakes Earth consists of plains and hills rather than mountain ranges like back home.

The Scandes, stretching the length of the western Scandinavian coast, are the results of ocean/continent collisions — volcanoes. They are also taller than they are back home — almost 18,500 feet above sea level.

By contrast, the Ural, Caucasus, Pyrenees and Apennine mountain chains don't exist on Great Lakes Earth.


Questions follow:

   With open connections to both the Indian and the Atlantic, what would the Tethys' personality be?
   Will a higher Himalayas—which means a higher Tibetan Plateau—pose any noticeable differences on India's climate and precipitation?
   With Japan's volcanoes being a combination of hotspots (like Hawaii, Iceland and Yellowstone) and subduction (like Japan back home), would this combination pose any difference in Japan's topography?
   Would adding Borneo and Sumatra pose any difference to the climate and landscape of the Indian subcontinent?
   With the rest of Indonesia and the Philippines out of existence, how would this absence affect ocean currents?
   How would all this added water affect the Mediterranean Basin as well as the Indian monsoon?
   Concerning the Siberian Traps, 40 million years of erosion would mean an altogether different Russian landscape, but to what extent? Would we still see vast, singular bands of boreal forests and steppes, or would we expect to see Russia hosting a wider variety of habitats?
   How would the changes in mountain building and coastlining affect the climate and landscape of the rest of Europe?


Africa
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To the naked eye, you may not see any difference between our Africa and theirs. However, like some of the other continents, Africa has its share of great lakes — in the Sahara, there are a handful, including Ahnot-Moyer, Fezzan, Chotts and Chad.

Long ago, a granitic plateau that would one day become North Africa was topographically uniform. Was. That was before the Great Tectonic Excess, a global event lasting from 80 to 30 million years ago, when the mountains of modern-day Great Lakes Earth were being formed. The Atlas Mountains were a combination of fault-block, subductive and uplifted passive margins. The tallest peak stands 15,171 feet above sea level. The Jordan flows from the Atlas Mountains to Lake Fezzan. From Lake Fezzan slithers the Tigris, which flows to the brackish Lake Chotts. The Pishon flows from Lake Chad to the Jordan. The Gihon flows from Lake Chad to the longest river on Great Lakes Earth, the Nahar. The Euphrates flows from Lake Chad to Lake Fezzan before stopping near the Nahar's delta.

The Aden Bahçesi is a subductive range, akin to South America's Andes, only shorter--the tallest peak standing 21,810 feet above sea level--1500 feet taller than both Denali back home and the tallest of Great Lakes Earth's Rocky Mountains in North America. Flowing from the Aden is the Nahar, snaking through 3,000 miles of African jungles and savanna before finishing its journey at the Tethys coast.

Millions of years of uplift and faulting and depressing and erosion by humidity and rain had taken a toll on the ancient plateau, creating imperfections that lakes and rivers took full advantage of. The reason the rivers flowed north is that Africa's southern half has a higher elevation than the northern half, not just from the Aden's more extensive reach, but also due to the fact that from 250 to 200 million years ago, Africa's southern half was a vast plateau as tall as Tibet and extending to South America's southern half and the Antarctic Peninsula.

There is another great lake in Africa, this time south of the equator. Back home, the Okavango Delta, Lakes Ngami and Xau, the Mabambe Depression and the salt pans of Nxai, Sua and Nwetwe are all that remains of Lake Makgadikgadi, a vast body of water that covered an area of 50,000 square miles and 100 feet deep. In Great Lakes Earth, Makgadikgadi is still there, fed by the rivers Zambezi, Cuando and Okavango.

Questions follow:

   Are any of these changes enough to turn North and South Africa from desert to more verdant habitat, maybe to the extent of feeding civilizations?
   Would having a tropical megalake be enough to influence the equatorial climate of the Congo rainforest?
   Would East Africa still be the cradle of human evolution, or do I have to look elsewhere?


Australia
http://i.imgur.com/TlccAXm.jpg

First and foremost, it's not called "Australia" in Great Lakes Earth, but rather "Sahul". Those brown lines are Sahul's only mountain range, the Great Dividers. The tallest peak stands 7,310 meters--almost 24,000 feet--above sea level. The Dividers are formed when the northeastward-moving Sahulian Plate gobbles up the southward-moving Pacific Plate, and there can be only one result--volcanoes.

The biggest blue presented here is Lake Eyre, a body of fresh water 463,323 square miles in area and at a maximum depth of only 49 meters, it is one of the shallowest of the Great Lakes.

Sahul is further south, closer to Antarctica, than Australia--so much that the distance between it and Antarctica would, by comparison, be cut by half. That is over 1400 miles!

Questions follow:

   Will the Outback still be desert?
   In the same scenario, Indonesia and the Philippines don't exist. What kind of ocean current(s) would one expect to see influencing Sahul?
   What kind of climatic and ecological influences would we expect Lake Eyre and the continent's proximity to Antarctica to create?


Pole to Pole
Compared to our oceans, the Arctic Ocean of Great Lakes Earth seems to have a little elbow room. The reason — the Atlantic on Great Lakes Earth is wider than ours by over 1350 miles. Africa, Eurasia and Sahul have, compared to our Old World, moved that far eastward, creating a landbridge that connects Asia to North America, erasing the Bering Strait off the map and shrinking the Bering Sea. To that extent, it would be like turning the Russian urban locality of Egvekinot (66.3205 degrees North and 179.1184 degrees West) into the next-door neighbor of Teller, Alaska.
http://i.imgur.com/iQUn5u3.jpg

The island of Greenland is rearranged to the extent that Mont Forel, the island's highest peak, is located in 90 degrees North — the North Geographic Pole.
http://i.imgur.com/ap20T0T.jpg

There is a final difference, one that applies also to the Southern Ocean surrounding Antarctica. The ratio between average depth and maximum depth is the same as back home, but the numbers are different. Back home, the Arctic's average depth is only 1205 meters, almost 4,000 feet, whereas its deepest point is 5,625 meters, 18,456 feet. The Southern Ocean averages 4,000 meters deep and has a maximum depth of 7,235. On Great Lakes Earth, the averages for the Arctic and Antarctic oceans are 1652 and 5280 meters, respectively.

The only difference their Antarctica has with our Antarctica is that volcanoes line the coasts of the lands of Oates, George V, Terre Adélie, Wilkes, Queen Mary, Wilhelm II and Princess Elizabeth.

Then, of course, there is the Arctic Plate, something that doesn't exist back home. Horizontally cutting Iceland in half, we can find the border three to seven miles off the coasts of Labrador, Baffin Island, Alaska, Russia and Norway, creating chains of volcanoes that include the Scandes. Note that the Polar Atrial Ridge diverges east and west, pushing the outer boundaries of the plate to squeeze beneath the Northern Plate. The result — volcanic mountain chains varying in height above sea level from 15,776.7 to 19,341 feet.

Questions follow:

   How would these differences affect ocean currents and polar landscapes?
   Could any of these changes have influenced the global average temperature and precipitation? If so, to what extent?


Ocean Deep

AVERAGE DEPTH (PACIFIC)
3854 meters

MAXIMUM DEPTH  (PACIFIC)
7455 meters

AVERAGE DEPTH  (ATLANTIC)
4001 meters

MAXIMUM DEPTH  (ATLANTIC)
7455 meters

AVERAGE DEPTH  (INDIAN)
3605 meters

MAXIMUM DEPTH  (INDIAN)
5625 meters
#3
Homebrews (Archived) / Re: Great Lakes Earth
January 16, 2017, 10:43:32 PM
I recall writing a lot more detail than that.
#4
Homebrews (Archived) / Re: Great Lakes Earth
January 16, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Um...what's this got to do with geography or astronomy?
#5
Homebrews (Archived) / Re: Great Lakes Earth
January 16, 2017, 09:06:26 AM
How do I fix them?
#6
Homebrews (Archived) / Great Lakes Earth
January 15, 2017, 12:22:25 AM
Let us say that, in the future, some scientists have created satellites capable of something that seems science fiction for now — punching the walls of the universe to study an alternate reality. By that scenario, some hundreds of "alternate Earths" from hundreds of alternate universes would already have been discovered and meticulously studied. As much as half of them would still be ruled by humans, unfolded by events that turned out differently. One universe, for example, had an Earth where 9/11 never happened, or where the outcome of the Revolutionary and Civil Wars ended up differently.

One of the most interesting to note was a planet that scientists call "Alternate Earth 111", known to the public as "Great Lakes Earth".

Why?

Because at first glance, it seemed that almost every continent is dominated by lakes, even those larger than the Great Lakes that we have in North America. What is its history? What points of divergence would we expect to see in this particular variation?

This proved to be a long, backbreaking investigation because when our alt-satellites picked up Great Lakes Earth, it has discovered traces of civilization — traces roughly 100,000 years old. However, after years of picking up the pieces and speculating on the rest, we believe that we have mapped the entire geography and the best of the history of Great Lakes Earth.

Geography

Solar System

The Cause is set. Now to investigate the Effects these changes have on climate, weather, landscape, ocean current circulation, nightscape and Milankovitch Cycles.
#7
Quote from: sparkletwist
It isn't necessary to create a new thread for each new question you want to ask or concept you want to talk about. I've merged your last couple of threads together. Please continue to use this unified thread for further discussion.


I beg to differ.  In order to make a fictional world believable, one has to ask one question at a time.  Dumping them all in one post would be both overwhelming and confusing.
#8
Flood basalt catastrophes were something that never happened in human history, but they were common much earlier in Earth's history. The one that comes to the mind of the mainstream were the Siberian Traps, believed to be the culprit for the worst mass extinction in history, killing off 70% of terrestrial species and 95% of marine species, covering a volume of one to four million cubic kilometers and a maximum thickness of 4500 meters.


These eruptions happened 252 million years ago, more than enough time for the forces of erosion and soil accumulation to reduce the Siberian Traps into a pale shadow of their former self.


In this alternate scenario, the Siberian Traps still erupted, but with the following differences:


   Date: 60-43 million years ago, so slowly that if it were responsible for a mass extinction, it wouldn't have been dramatic enough for anyone to notice.
   Volume: 59-77 million cubic miles
   Maximum thickness: 2.5 miles

43 million years of erosion and soil accumulation would have given Eurasia a drastically different landscape as opposed to 252 million years of the same thing. Siberia back home is pretty remote and its geographic diversity makes it pretty challenging real estate. Would this Siberia be even more so? Would we still expect to see steppe, desert and tundra in Russia or would mountains and plateaus be more prevalent?
#9
It pertains because human diversity is high, and that is bound to make some people curious.
#10
Metaphorically.
#11
Quote from: SteerpikeI know you're into scientific rigour, so it might be worth pointing out that the term "race" doesn't strictly apply in a genetic context. We can trace for genetic ancestry and kin groups, certainly, and determine clusters of alleles, but race as defined by surface concepts like skin colour doesn't really exist biologically in a way that maps to the social and cultural constructions of race that persist today - those are pretty much folk taxonomies leftover from nineteenth-century pseudoscience.


That does not change the maybe personal observation that diversity breeds curiosity.
#12
It had traditionally been assumed that the Caucasian, or White, race developed fair skin, flaxen hair and bright eyes as adaptations against the low-light areas of Pleistocene Europe.

However, recent evidence has found that these characteristics were actually one-time mutations that activated AFTER the last ice age ended, which meant that Cro-Magnon man, at the height of the ice age, may have been as dark as their brethren back in Africa. 

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

http://www.livescience.com/42838-european-hunter-gatherer-genome-sequenced.html

http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/the-light-skin-of-the-irish-can-be-traced-to-india-and-the-middle-east-239166271-239671671.html

Where did these mutations come from? Why did they activate in the time that they did and not sooner? And without these mutations, would the seven billion people currently living on Earth be uniformly black-skinned?
#13
Today's concrete, or "Portland cement", has an aggregate (material used to glue everything together) of sand and gravel.

Ancestral, or Roman, concrete, by contrast, had an aggregate of volcanic ash. Not only does this make the concrete waterproof, it also allows the concrete to harden as it gets older. This may explain why Roman concrete had endured for two millennia.

But Portland cement has no hope of standing for that long. Sand and gravel are more porous than ash, which means water and plants can get through, and in a Life After People, it's estimated that they'd stand for only 100-150 years.

In this alternate scenario, ash is in short supply, and the cities are in need of a different kind of aggregate to keep their concrete strong. Disregarding volcanic ash, sand or gravel, which is the next best material to be used for aggregating the concrete?
#14
It IS a bit overwhelming, I can admit that.  But this is pretty much a blueprint for future alt-history fictions.  You must create a world and history hope that they pass off as realistic and believable before going crazy with your embellishings.
#15
The entire alternate history textbook is still in progress.