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Elven Doritos

August 15, 2006, 06:20:05 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Raelifin
While I doubt many of you have been asking the question, here's the low-down:

I sorta gave up on/forgot about Red Valor at the time. It didn't seem to be reaching very many people, and I don't know if it's because it is inaccesable for some reason or that people just weren't commenting.

So here's the plan. You tell me what you like about Red Valor, what you want to see in Project 1301, what you don't like, what's missing-- whatever.

Just tell me something. Give me some feedback on the fiction, ask questions on my pantheon, whatever. Hopefully, the encouragement to explore my site will bring up some new things you hadn't  noticed before-- lists of emperors or some major evil badasses, for example.

-Elven Doritos
Master of the House
Oh, how we danced and we swallowed the night
For it was all ripe for dreaming
Oh, how we danced away all of the lights
We've always been out of our minds
-Tom Waits, Rain Dogs

Raelifin

#1
August 15, 2006, 08:33:57 PM
When it comes down to it. I stopped reading ol' red because you haven't made 1301 cannon yet! What's taking so long? I'm tired of having to figure if it is old or new RV.

That and the core-ness of it. ;)

Elven Doritos

#2
August 15, 2006, 08:37:01 PM
Good point. All 1301 content is contained within that section of the site. Every other link is set in 1252 RA, and is not part of the self-contained project yet (although it is fully compatible).

I plan on making 1301 canon when I finish the countries and round out the deities some more-- that's what I plan on working on soon (albeit at a slower pace than 1301's onset, mind you, but I do intend on finishing it).
Oh, how we danced and we swallowed the night
For it was all ripe for dreaming
Oh, how we danced away all of the lights
We've always been out of our minds
-Tom Waits, Rain Dogs

CYMRO

#3
August 16, 2006, 09:21:43 PM
Good to see you are still clicking along with what I believe is one of the CBG's oldest settings.
Never give up!  Never surrender!

The maps look good.  Nice and direct, no clutter.

I will post more when I explore the site more.
Jolly good, what?

Xathan

#4
August 17, 2006, 10:49:20 AM
I just sat down and read my first big chunk of Red Valor material: Zantorus.

I loved it, it was really well written and had some great stuff. (I take it the elves with him were shadowcasters from one small reference, right? Itty bitty touches like that give a ton of depth to the setting - i'd love to hear more about those elves.)

My only question is how did a lich gain so much trust among elves and dwarves? Was he merely that skilled at illusion that they didn't know his true nature, or was it something else? (After all, someone who lives from hundreds of years and is still human is going to raise some eyebrows.)

Awesome stuff, and I do plan on reading more in the future.
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Elven Doritos

#5
August 17, 2006, 03:14:30 PM
Quote from: Captain XathanI just sat down and read my first big chunk of Red Valor material: Zantorus.

I loved it, it was really well written and had some great stuff. (I take it the elves with him were shadowcasters from one small reference, right? Itty bitty touches like that give a ton of depth to the setting - i'd love to hear more about those elves.)

My only question is how did a lich gain so much trust among elves and dwarves? Was he merely that skilled at illusion that they didn't know his true nature, or was it something else? (After all, someone who lives from hundreds of years and is still human is going to raise some eyebrows.)

Awesome stuff, and I do plan on reading more in the future.

Very good questions.

Firstly, the elves had never encountered another human before Zantorus, and at that time were so embroiled in internal affairs that the fact of Zantorus' lichdom wasn't a very pressing matter. Elven clerics at the time were few and far between, and the forces who controlled darker magic (the vast majority of Iodionuciad mages studied the forces of the macabre, the forces of shadow, and the forces of extraplanar evil, as you surmised).

As for the dwarves, he gained very little trust amongst them, possibly due to his appearance. In this case, it was the Buronian Age sense of dwarven compassion and brotherhood that led to the reception in the North. The story of Zantorus is often cited as the primary "reason", sociologically, that dwarves are both gruff and even cold-shouldered to outsiders, as showing compassion and understanding is what led to them becoming exiles in their own continent.
Oh, how we danced and we swallowed the night
For it was all ripe for dreaming
Oh, how we danced away all of the lights
We've always been out of our minds
-Tom Waits, Rain Dogs

Elven Doritos

#6
August 24, 2006, 07:22:27 PM
Okay, I've had an idea, folks. Would anyone here be interested in a "DM only" version of Red Valor, essentially reposts of the material from the main site oodled with notes and inside information meant for the Dungeon Master?
Oh, how we danced and we swallowed the night
For it was all ripe for dreaming
Oh, how we danced away all of the lights
We've always been out of our minds
-Tom Waits, Rain Dogs

limetom

#7
August 24, 2006, 07:50:05 PM
Granted I don't really review settings anyway, the main reason for me was that it was on another website.  

While it is cool to have its own website, it just becomes (at least in the case of my lazy ass) an annoyance, because I have to go somewhere else to read everything, and then I have to come back here to comment on it.  Furthermore, since it is not here, I'm too lazy to go and look at much of it.

This goes for the hosting section too.  Since there is no real index of the hosting section, I've never gone thorugh it.  I used it a little myself, and then just decided that not only were the forums easier, but they looked prettier.

Elven Doritos

#8
August 24, 2006, 08:01:26 PM
I'm going to be completely honest: That response frustrates me.

People complained when Red Valor was in a thread format, because it was clumsy and poorly organized. Big blocks of text were hard on the eyes.

So I made the site. And your response is typical: People don't want to go off-site and then come back.

So, I guess I'm in a lose-lose situation.
Oh, how we danced and we swallowed the night
For it was all ripe for dreaming
Oh, how we danced away all of the lights
We've always been out of our minds
-Tom Waits, Rain Dogs

limetom

#9
August 24, 2006, 08:13:17 PM
Didn't mean to spit on your cookie, but, yeah.  People are lazy, its just how they are.

Some advice other people told me back when Ari/Sûl was actually written out was that using spolier tags and breaking things up into very specialized posts, along with a table of contents, was the best way to put it in a forum.

My advice would be, don't take it off the website.  You probably already pay for it, and, from the five seconds I've been on it, it looks pretty.  Put a bolded, italicized, underlined, and oversized link in your signature, outside of the 'Click Here' spolier tag.  Its so annoying that people will have to click it.

Right now, I have to click thrice to get to your site from your signature, and if I don't actually look hard, and most people don't when it comes to signatures, I probably won't find it.

Just remember the best tools of marketing: annoyance, repetition and sex appeal.  I doubt you have the last, but the other two are easily accomplished via signature.  I've gotten at least 2 people at Dicefreaks to come over here just to check it out via my signature.

In all, don't be so freakin' frustrated.  Your setting gets more responses than my two do, and they're on the boards.

Elven Doritos

#10
August 24, 2006, 08:19:13 PM
The thing is, though, is that RV has been around for a long, long time on these boards-- its predecessor thread was one of the earliest settings posted at the CBG forums. Before that, I had a thread at WotC for a year, with little response.

Thanks for the advice. I used to have the RV link a lot more prominent in my sig, but I figured that I wasn't getting a ton of traffic from it (as I knew just about everyone who was going to the site).

And my response wasn't meant to be hostile or anything, it's just this has been a problem for me for *years*
Oh, how we danced and we swallowed the night
For it was all ripe for dreaming
Oh, how we danced away all of the lights
We've always been out of our minds
-Tom Waits, Rain Dogs

Raelifin

#11
December 02, 2006, 07:55:47 PM
Okay, I'm confused on one point. Who is the "anti-mage"? You have fiction on him, and talk about him in the divine histories, but I can't find anything on this character beyond that. Help!
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