A magicless race

[brainface]

You know I didn't even think of magic immunity, hhhmmm that would solve a lot of problems with the race. The thing with this ability would they still trip alarm spells? The thing is that magic would no be able to see nor touch them. Illusion spells (in my mind) work by the spell sending fasle information to the subjects brain a successful save means the magic can't take hold. Because they magic can't "see" them it can't try to send the false information to their brains.

actually do mess with someone's head, and probably are affected by SR/immunity.) If you use the SR tag, you'll have something to point to to say how this interacts, rather than having to make stuff up on the fly, but you'll occassionally run across stuff that doesn't make sense to you. (but apparently made sense to the designers at the time.)

Me, i'd go with something clearly defined i could point to, because if nothing else it keeps things fair, but YMMV.



(You can find SR:no spells here: http://www.d20srd.org/filters/spell.php. A lot of the ones listed will be things like true strike, or self-only buffs, so the list will be a little inflated for your purposes.)

[Poseptune]

edit: Ha I didn't see you last post brainface. Yeah delving to deep into would make a DM have to consider how the spell works rather than it just does.

I think if I do make this race I will make them a simple (the basic spell resistance or even immunity) version instead of the complicated version. With the simple version what ever can get through the immunity or resistance would be able to effect them including illusions.

 I wanted to stay away from making them too much like Goodkind's culture. They were banished (twice, by two different areas) and ended up living in a secluded part of the world, trapped by a wall (a rip in the world really) that lead to the underworld. So if I put them in a walled nation I am almost doing the same thing(I would imagine that magic users would be scared of them and would want them locked away or killed.).


Has any one here read any of this series?

[Lmns Crn]

I read Wizard's First Rule and about 300 pages of the next one, until I realized I wasn't really enjoying it.

If you're determined to use this kind of race/culture, and you don't want to have them imprisoned somehow, I think it could be perfectly reasonable to have them ruling over those less fortunate. Magic-users could certainly do little to stop them, and it might be an interesting nation-construction exercise.

[Xathan]

This could be a really cool thing. I've read Goodkind, but I don't remember this magicless race - what were they called? If it was in the last 2-3 books of the series, than that explains why I dont know about them.

I think the best option would be to give them a personal (skin tight) antimagic field that extends to what they touch directly, excluding the ground, and True Seeing as an extradordinary ability. Not sure how to balance that, but it would give you the desired effect.

[Poseptune]

This could be a really cool thing. I've read Goodkind, but I don't remember this magicless race - what were they called? If it was in the last 2-3 books of the series, than that explains why I dont know about them.

I think the best option would be to give them a personal (skin tight) antimagic field that extends to what they touch directly, excluding the ground, and True Seeing as an extradordinary ability. Not sure how to balance that, but it would give you the desired effect.

If you've read all but the last two or three books (including the one that just came out), you should have encountered a race like the one you described (somewhere in the Midlands if I remeber correctly).

The culture/race I am describing is explained in Pillars of Creation (4th from last) and Naked Empire (3rd from last. This is where you meet the nation/culture/race). I just finished the latest book and now have to wait for the last book in the series. L(

[Poseptune]

I read Wizard's First Rule and about 300 pages of the next one, until I realized I wasn't really enjoying it.

If you're determined to use this kind of race/culture, and you don't want to have them imprisoned somehow, I think it could be perfectly reasonable to have them ruling over those less fortunate. Magic-users could certainly do little to stop them, and it might be an interesting nation-construction exercise.

I am by no means determined to make this race (well I guess I am sorta). I started this thread to gahter inforamation, and to see if there was anything I may have over looked. I have already decided that if I do make this race it will be a simpler version than what I had originally planned out.

Actually I have thought about making them a ruling power. I started to think about the first encounters with the race. Magic users would begin to fear them, because they had no power over them. Mundane kings would also be watchful of such a race, since their magical warnings would not work against a magicless (they need a name) assassin. A war would finally break out to ease the troubled minds. I then had to imagine how the war would go. It is true that magic users would be limited against the magicless, but not worthless. Buffs would still work on their soldiers as well as healing. Shape stone and walls of stone would seperate the magicless's army allowing the mage's army to pick off lesser foes. These examples as well as other things would give an army lead or helped by a mage a great advantage. The magicless could have sent small assassin teams to take out, but the mages would have defenses against that as well. The simplest would be invisiblity, illusions and alarm spells, since they know none would be triggered or tricked by such spells. Spells that lead to other dimensions/planes would also keep the mages (and their advantage) protect

Of course all this changes if I make the psionic.

[Epic Meepo]

Hmmm... What about one race whose members are encased in personal antimagic fields and one race whose members are encased in personal antipsionic fields (with magic and psionics being different, of course)? That would make for an interesting rivalry, and would be somewhat balanced by the fact that both magic and psionics are available.

[Poseptune]

Hmmm... What about one race whose members are encased in personal antimagic fields and one race whose members are encased in personal antipsionic fields (with magic and psionics being different, of course)? That would make for an interesting rivalry, and would be somewhat balanced by the fact that both magic and psionics are available.

Interesting. You have gotten my wheels turning. I have started to think about these two races and the development of magic and psionics. Now each race would at some point figure out that what they consider their strength (magic or psionics) would be useless against the other. They would have to resort to more mundane methods of offense and defense. It would probably work in a low magic setting. Then the question becomes what do other races think of these two races? I will think of this more, but for now I am off to work.

[Raelifin]

Just a thought: make the two races the same race and give each gender have a different field.

[Raelifin]

Wow. Darn double-posts.  :chase:

[Poseptune]

Just a thought: make the two races the same race and give each gender have a different field.

Sounds like something a raw brussel sprout eater would say. Hee hee with this method lovers quarrels wouldn't end up with some being blown up or polymorphed, just the plan old throwing a vase at their spouses head.