Have you ever wanted to ... Have Xev create new crunch for you?

[Xeviat]

Yeah, cooking is covered by Craft, as you are making something, and crafts can be done untrained. There's no reason someone won't take 10 with a Craft (Cooking) check, and I think something simple like a sandwich would have a DC of 5 (you'd have to be very stupid to mess up meat between bread), while actual measured ingrediants would have a DC 10 (like making mac and cheese without instructions). Most skills can be used untrained though.

The reason I went with a 1d4 HD is because some people have higher con's than others. A close friend of mine rarely gets sick and never bruises, and while this is probably due to his years of martial arts training, I'm quite certain he was a tough little cookie as a child as well. Granting a 1d4 HD means someone with an 8 con will have 1 HP, a 10 will have 2, and it will go up from there.

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Turin has unintentionally made a request, so I'm going to put together my rules on children and adolecents. I'll post them soon.

[CYMRO]

Yeah, cooking is covered by Craft, as you are making something, and crafts can be done untrained. There's no reason someone won't take 10 with a Craft (Cooking) check, and I think something simple like a sandwich would have a DC of 5 (you'd have to be very stupid to mess up meat between bread), while actual measured ingrediants would have a DC 10 (like making mac and cheese without instructions). Most skills can be used untrained though.

Cook is a Profession, not a Craft.

[Xeviat]

You're right, the PHB does list cook as one of the Professions, but it then goes on to say that if the job is part of the service industry, then it is a Profession, and if it's part of the manufacturing industry, then it's a Craft.

A cook is manufacturing food, thus I deem it is a Craft. Like writing literature, cooking is an art form, and is taught at art schools just like any other form of art. Cooking takes creativity and knowledge, just like other art forms, thus cooking must require intelligence and not wisdom.

So, while I'm directly contradicting the PHB, I feel justified.

[CYMRO]

You're right, the PHB does list cook as one of the Professions, but it then goes on to say that if the job is part of the service industry, then it is a Profession, and if it's part of the manufacturing industry, then it's a Craft.

A cook is manufacturing food, thus I deem it is a Craft. Like writing literature, cooking is an art form, and is taught at art schools just like any other form of art. Cooking takes creativity and knowledge, just like other art forms, thus cooking must require intelligence and not wisdom.

So, while I'm directly contradicting the PHB, I feel justified.

A cook does not manufacture food, he prepares food.  Farmers manufacture food.
And if it is art, then it should be a Perform check.

[Raelifin]

Uhg. No. That's like saying that a painter doesn't do a craft check because he doesn't make his paints. Farming is a profession, cooking is a craft and juggling is a performance, I don't care what the rules say. >_<

[Darkxarth]

Making art is NOT a Perform check.  I would say it's probably a Dex check or a Wis check... but NOT a Perform check.

[limetom]

[tr][th]Check Result[/th][th]Value[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Less than 5[/td][td]No value[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6-8[/td][td]1d6 cp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9-10[/td][td]2d6 cp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]11-13[/td][td]3d6 cp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]14-16[/td][td]3d6 sp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]17-19[/td][td]4d6 sp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]20-22[/td][td]5d6 sp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]23-25[/td][td]6d6 sp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]26-28[/td][td]6d6 gp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]29-31[/td][td]7d6 gp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]32-34[/td][td]8d6 gp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]35-37[/td][td]9d6 gp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]38-40[/td][td]9d6 pp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]41-43[/td][td]10d6 pp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]44-46[/td][td]11d6 pp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]47-49[/td][td]12d6 pp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]50-52[/td][td]12d6 pp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td colspan='2']ad infinitum[/td][/tr][/table]

My guess is that these could get much higher much quicker, but its midnight here; I want to sleep.  You fix it.

[Túrin]

Turin has unintentionally made a request, so I'm going to put together my rules on children and adolecents. I'll post them soon.

Actually, didn't we just establish we could use the 0th-level rules for that? OTOH, I admit that this wouldn't work for really small children (say, those that haven't reached the size category of their parents yet), but a simple template could fix that (such as: size - 1, the appropriate Str, Dex and Con modifiers from the MM, and then perhaps a Wisdom penalty).

To clarify, my original comment was wondering about the fact that these rules didn't appear in 3.5 (while they did in 3.0) not actually wondering what these rules would be like (because we just established that for most relevant cases).

@ the Craft/Profession/Perform discussion : We already established in earlier discussions that the rules for this are crappy and unrealitic (though using the new rule that many people actually don't even have a level of commoner might fix that problem), so either make a new thread to fix that or get over it. ;)

Túrin

[Raelifin]

The Game of Thrones d20 has some nice rules for children. I'd use them if I wanted to play a child. Too bad I don't have the book. >_<

[shadowls]

~blinks~ i didn't know rules where out there ~smiles~ my thought is that every one should have a level as commener or aristocrat, because that is how was they where raised. in some ways if forces the players to come up with a background for thier pcs, but in trade they can pick up skills or abilitys that aren't part of thier class or wheren't trained how to do.

some people just have a nack for some thing. a carver that didn't know he could work wood untill he tried one day and made a work of art.

[Xeviat]

Making art is a Craft check; Races of Stone, oddly enough, set the precidence with Craft DCs for novels, epics, music, and other forms of art. Perform means how well you can perform a specific piece of art, generally telling a story, playing a part in a play, or performing a piece of music or a song; Perform does not allow you to compose, craft does.

As for actual children, I use a system that's very similar to the Monster Manual's takes on young giants. A medium sized creature as a child is one size smaller (this is comparable to an elementary school child), suffers a -4 size penalty to strength, a +2 size bonus to dexterity, and a -2 age penalty to all physical ability scores and a -4 penalty to all mental ability scores; thus they have a -6 Str (children are weaker than adults, due to a lack of size and growth hormones), a -2 Con (children get sick more often than adults, though they do typically recover faster; not sure how to emulate that), a -4 Int (children haven't yet learned all the basics), a -4 Wis, and a -4 Cha.

A teenager of a medium sized race (for example, a middle school student, possibly an early highschool student), is the same size as the adult, and suffers a -2 age penalty to all mental ability scores.

Under normal circumstances, children and teens do not enter into classes; they remain "commoners". Certain circumstances, such as extensive education, can cause a child or a teen to enter into class levels early; for example, noble children might enter into the aristocrat class early. If a teen or a child enters into a class early, determine their skill points normally for their current Int (though when the age penalty goes away, they will retroactively regain skill points), except a child only recieves x1 skill points at first level and a teen only recieves x2 skill points at first level (these skill points will be regained when their age reaches full).

Children of different sized races might have different size adjustments. Anything smaller than medium should use what medium does. Large creatures, though, should have teens that are 1 size smaller and children that are 2 sizes smaller (we're not considering infants at all). I'm unsure what the others should be.

[shadowls]

~hugs~ thank you so much