Nounpunk - A discussion of a metagenre

[Superfluous Crow]

I actually vetted my comment in between posting and you quoting, but we seemed to arrive at the same conclusion so no harm done! (just keep the old one, it's fine!)

I agree with what you are saying. It's about much more than the level of technology present.
And I simply can't get behind calling Bioshock steampunk. The game's "presentation", as you call it, is just so far from what I would call steampunk.
Bioshock is definitely -punk though. Randpunk, perhaps? Or maybe just decopunk or capitalpunk. :p

EDIT: "Every time Irrational Games makes a game, a new -punk is born"

[LoA]

I actually vetted my comment in between posting and you quoting, but we seemed to arrive at the same conclusion so no harm done! (just keep the old one, it's fine!)

I agree with what you are saying. It's about much more than the level of technology present.
And I simply can't get behind calling Bioshock steampunk. The game's "presentation", as you call it, is just so far from what I would call steampunk.
Bioshock is definitely -punk though. Randpunk, perhaps? Or maybe just decopunk or capitalpunk. :p

EDIT: "Every time Irrational Games makes a game, a new -punk is born"

Or as i would put it a fresh take on one of the existing three. If you had to put bioshock in one of the three big (Insert)punk genres (cyber, steam, diesel), than it definitely fits in Dieselpunk, but it certainly is unique.

[SabrWolf]

I notice that there was a lot of talk about Ghost in the Shell being slung around in this thread, and I'd like to make one small comment about the nature of that show:
It was written, produced, and aired (originally) in Japan.

I know this might seem to be the most obvious thing in the world to say about an Anime, but hear me out. In Japan the thoughts on individuality are very different from the ones that we have here in America. The biggest difference being that the group should come before the individual. This warps the very nature of how Cyber-Punk would be viewed by the Japanese, into something like what Elemental Elf noted in his discussion of GitS. In that light, perhaps it's less Post-Cyberpunk, and more something like Japanese Cyber-Punk?

... the hallmark of Post-Cyberpunk would be Collective Individualism.

This may be the single coolest thing I have yet to read on the boards. It basically supports the idea that in Post-Cyberpunk you are part of a hive or collective consciousness. Interesting in literary application when you think about what the internet has done to some people you may know personally.

Cautionary tales abound.

[LoA]

EDIT: "Every time Irrational Games makes a game, a new -punk is born"

I get the feeling this discussion is about to get very interesting when Bioshock Infinite comes. "Vintage Ameripunka" maybe?