Underdeep Discussion & Interest Thread

[Xathan]

I think all Scrying info should be updated.  There might be a message or two I need to respond to but they might be booted to next week.

Poor Saerid just never knows what to say to me, does he? :3

Also, added to my orders. They're really for reals finished now. If anyone's messages to me contained anything vital, let me know I'll respond this week, but as is I think I'm messaged-out for this week. :P

[Steerpike]

Ah I actually missed that message entirely... I may have to respond to that one tomorrow.

[Xathan]

Ah I actualyl missed that message entirely... I may have to respond to that one tomorrow.

WOOO! I can't wait.

I'm so stoked for this update you don't even know. Well, Steerpike, you know why. But the rest of you, you don't even know. :P

[LD]

Spent some remaining cash; I think my orders are Final.

[Humabout]

Posted a new character!  Behold Krog the Black!  And don't call him stoopid or e'll git real angry 'n' smash ya!

[Steerpike]

What does Krog look like, Humabout?  I love drawing Orcs.

[Humabout]

Oh?  He is large, dark green and angry with arms that reach to his knees and tusks that curl nearly to his eyes.  His ears are floppy and pierced, and his jaw is particularly square.  Otherwise, he doesn't look particularly intelligent.

[Xathan]

I'm curious where he's starting, and when. :P

[Polycarp]

The Glow's orders should all be finalized now.

I think I've given a response to everyone I can, to my communications limit.

[Raelifin]

I think I've given a response to everyone I can, to my communications limit.

Achievement unlocked!

[LD]

Regarding Dolmar's story "To Each and Every, A Chance"; I have a question:

Is it possible now to 'share dungeon's' and build, for example, Kobold structures and traps in a Dwarf dungeon and to have the Dwarves and Kobolds each recruit on their own behalves?

[Xathan]

From what I remember from the old thread, Dwer and kobolds, to use your example, can build rooms in each others bases, but only kobolds could recruit kobolds and Dwer recruit Dwer.

Edit: and the proceeds of production structures goes to whomever controls the dungeon, though with insta trade being allowed now that shouldn't be an issue.

[sparkletwist]

With the Succubi hanging out in Kirr-Godna all sorts of "dungeon sharing" rules questions in general will probably pop up.

Here are a couple:
To get the layout of a dungeon you're actually in, does it still require a scout action?

Regardless of whether it does or not, if you started the turn there, is it possible to get the results immediately (for the beginning of that week), like a scry, instead of having to wait until the next update?

Is there any reason why a Dwer (or whoever) shouldn't be able to field a Kobold army if controls a dungeon full of Kobolds? (Personally, using the "infiltrator" unit and stealing enemy buildings and constructing all kinds of weird stuff I wasn't 'supposed' to was always one of my favorite parts of RTS games, so I think that Underdeep might be missing out here. :grin: )

[zcynthr]

I'd just like to clarify why the Legion's faction leader feels that he has to stuff his own thoughts into every message.

Republicanism is crap, and there are way too many fingers in the Legion's pies. As such, I assign loyalty ratings for the Legion's military units and commanders, most of which attenuate with distance from either Marius or the capital. Each army/commander has a political loyalty to the Senate and a personal loyalty to Marius, and I fudge my orders to either side's policy based on those statistics and some minor elements of chance. It's a little like the Confusion spell in D&D- there's a chance to act normally, a chance to do nothing, a chance to do something stupid, and a chance to attack without orders.

There definitely aren't enough loyal commanders or other mitigating factors to go around in order to ensure that Marius gets his way every week. I figured it would be more fun this way, at least until Marius gets around to purging the politicians and forming a dictatorship. Or he could always get elected dictator, that's a potential outcome.

Just a little FYI, in case anyone was wondering who to believe. I generally try to stack modifiers in Marius' favor, but sometimes I don't have enough loyal troops for everything I want to do and things briefly go sqibbly.

[Steerpike]

Is it possible now to 'share dungeon's' and build, for example, Kobold structures and traps in a Dwarf dungeon and to have the Dwarves and Kobolds each recruit on their own behalves?

It's not impossible, but it gets very complicated very quickly (like - what happens if the two sides go to war later?).  I'd allow it, but one Faction will still retain control over the dungeon and the other faction(s) will be visitors.

To get the layout of a dungeon you're actually in, does it still require a scout action?

It does not.  The best way to arrange it is probably to have one player PM another visiting player a rooms list.  Alternatively I could supply a rooms list if necessary.

Is there any reason why a Dwer (or whoever) shouldn't be able to field a Kobold army if controls a dungeon full of Kobolds?

Factions can't use rooms that don't belong to them, and the way I'm envisioning things when one Faction directly occupies another Faction's dungeon they're generally driving out/killing/scattering the enemy units and occupying the ruins with their own troops/people.  Different arrangements might easily exist - for example, where you sack an enemy dungeon but deliberately do not occupy it, but instead demand tribute/military service/fealty from the residents.  But in this case you wouldn't control the dungeon/city directly, and your conquered subjects might decide to act against you and rebel in the future.

I think if I let players use non-faction-specific rooms to build units from other players' lists it would lead to some extremely bizarre army compositions - like suddenly the Nocae would probably be building lots of goblin units right now, for example, which doesn't really make much sense, since the Goblins would not have much loyalty to the Nocae (quite the opposite!) and would probably rebel pretty quickly unless a far superior Shadow Elf force would keep them pacified.  That sort of situation cries out for complicated Loyalty rules, and I think the game is already complicated enough.