A Continuation (Religious site vs. DnD and other RPGs)

[Hibou]

On top of that, the writer's use of actual game material and reasonings for other topics on the site for being "false" is very selective. Notice how when he talks about the idea of D&D he completely ignores the fact that the standard D&D game is as much about being champions of good and defeating demons and dragons and the minions of evil gods as it is about gaining treasure and power. And in turn, that treasure and power gives you the ability to better combat evil. Which, unless I'm mistaken, real-world servants of God have a hard time doing without some level of wealth and influence...

[Hibou]

One of the things I really just can't understand is how these hardcore 'devotees' think that Christianity is any more right than previous religions.

[Stargate525]

Just out of curiosity, what do Atheists put their faith in? If it's the human race, that is a bad investment.

science. "'god' didnt create the universe, the big bang did. 'god' didnt make humans, evolution did. it's all scientifically observable."


edit- did anybody else notice that the only source cited on that page was just another page from the same site? way to prove credibility, citing yourself....

Which begs the question; How do you observe something that happened several billion years ago, by your reckoning? Off-topic much, but something to think about.

One of the things I really just can't understand is how these hardcore 'devotees' think that Christianity is any more right than previous religions.

Because it's the one they believe in, the same way some Islamists think that they are the only right ones etcetera. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most older religions (created before 1000 AD) believe theirs is the only correct way.

If these people weren't so unreasonable in their beliefs and claims, I'd gladly call myself a Christian. Until then, I'll have to classify myself as a pseudo-Christian.

Physician heal thyself. Just like surveying only your church is a bad sample of everyone, so is only observing the extremists. I'm a Christian, and am glad to say am nothing like these people. The term Christianity has become a very loose category, and by definition there are alot of sects and cults in it that shouldn't be.

[SDragon]

Mmm. You'll also notice that the guy writing it is a reformed bishop of satanism or some rank like that...

near as i can tell, he was the high priest of an alexandrian wiccan coven. it's actually not quite as big of a deal as he makes it sound, more along the lines of being the local pastor, or rabbi.


did anybody notice that he has "animorphs" under the heading of witchcraft? y'know, if he really was a wiccan high priest, i'd imagine he'd know better....

[Hibou]

Physician heal thyself. Just like surveying only your church is a bad sample of everyone, so is only observing the extremists. I'm a Christian, and am glad to say am nothing like these people. The term Christianity has become a very loose category, and by definition there are alot of sects and cults in it that shouldn't be.

I should have been a bit more clearer, but my comment on being a pseudo-Christian was a bit of a mockery of the extremist views. I've met enough Christians in the past that are hardly as ridiculous, and if anything don't even look like Christians in practice except for the fact that they go to church on sunday.

[Elven Doritos]

Do not confuse "looking like a Christian" with "looking like an evangelical fundamentalist Bible-thumper".

[Jharviss]

To Stargate525, I think humanity is a perfectly reasonable thing to invest my faith in.  Humans astound me every single day, much more so than God does.  The goodness in people is overwhelming, the sacrifice people are willing to make.  I'm very partial toward human beings and I think that humans are God.

[Seraph]

To Stargate525, I think humanity is a perfectly reasonable thing to invest my faith in.  Humans astound me every single day, much more so than God does.  The goodness in people is overwhelming, the sacrifice people are willing to make.  I'm very partial toward human beings and I think that humans are God.

Vox populi, vox dei

[Jharviss]

And vica verca, Seraphine Harmonium.

[SDragon]

...and I think that humans are God.

you're kidding me! i thought i was the only one....


and stargate, you're right; it does beg the question of how one can observe something that long ago. keep in mind, though, that logic also applies to biblical creation, as well.

[Jharviss]

I get the feeling that if you want to find a group of intellectuals that will calmly debate religion well, this would be a great place to do it.

[DeeL]

We can dismiss a significant part of this site as rank hypocrisy.  The ninth commandment states, 'Do not bear false witness,' but this page is so full of of lies I'm surprised my monitor didn't sprout a long leafy nose when the window opened.  It doesn't say much about the accuracy of the other pages that I've seen examples of other data that I know to be false as well.

Furthermore, unlike a great many religious-right type kooks, the content of this sight condemns President Bush as the dupe of a Satanist conspiracy.  Are we sure this isn't a joke site?  Like Landover Baptist?  

If it is a serious site, I would characterize the author as an egotist trying to revive the D&D scare of the '80s for pure self-aggrandisement.  I wouldn't take it too seriously, but if anyone knows of a venue in which the author would be open to debate - even a message board would do - I will gladly take up the challenge.  My father served as a Methodist preacher; I have a study bible, and I know how to use it.

[Stargate525]

To Stargate525, I think humanity is a perfectly reasonable thing to invest my faith in.  Humans astound me every single day, much more so than God does.  The goodness in people is overwhelming, the sacrifice people are willing to make.  I'm very partial toward human beings and I think that humans are God.

I agree that humans have a tremendous capacity for good, but if we are god, then I'm frankly scared to death of him. We also have a tremendous capacity for evil, for every kind person there is one who is just as evil.

The ninth commandment states, 'Do not bear false witness,'

What bible are you using? Mine has that as the eighth... Probably combines nine and ten. Anyway...

[Jharviss]

I think the Bible pretty well states that God has a tremendous capacity for evil as well.  He's not exactly the epitome of happiness in the Old Testament.

[DeeL]

The ninth commandment states, 'Do not bear false witness,'

What bible are you using? Mine has that as the eighth... Probably combines nine and ten. Anyway...

New American Standard, Study Edition.  I just looked over the twentieth chapter of Exodus, and count the prohibition against being false about others as the ninth commandment, the tenth being the prohibition on covetousness and the eighth being against theft.  What exactly do you mean by combining the ninth and tenth commandments?  (I'm not trying to be difficult here; I have heard the prohibition against false witness listed as the eighth commandment before, and just don't know how that would work.)