Clerics spontaneously casting domain spells instead of cure spells.

[Xeviat]

Because it's the discussion of a design element; changing the cleric.

[Túrin]

Interesting stuff this. Now, as to do something that doesn't happen in forums a lot, I'm going to state that I'm undecided. That's right! Here's someone you can actually convince.

May the best debater win!

;) Túrin

[Xeviat]

My reasoning is that clerics of different deities should be distinct from one another, just like a fighter with high str, low dex, and the power attack feats is different from a fighter with high dex, low strength, and weapon finesse and combat expertise feats.

Currently, the only changes domains grant are 1 spell per day per spell level (many of which are just normal cleric spells) and a power that is typically usable only once per day.

My change not only allows clerics to be better differentiated, but it also helps them to take on other roles than the healer. Sure, every party needs one, but I feel that is a flaw of the system. If every party "has" to have a wizard and "has" to have a cleric, that really kills player choices. What if no body wants to play a healer?

Last but not least, my change makes the healing domain a potent choice.

The only issue that I feel can be raised against my cleric is that it may be too powerful for some domains that have potent arcane spells (like timestop). But this is perhaps balanced by the reduced number of spells per day (since the domain spell slots are dropped in my suggested change).

And that's my case, for all it's worth.

[brainface]

My change not only allows clerics to be better differentiated, but it also helps them to take on other roles than the healer. Sure, every party needs one, but I feel that is a flaw of the system. If every party "has" to have a wizard and "has" to have a cleric, that really kills player choices. What if no body wants to play a healer?

Last but not least, my change makes the healing domain a potent choice.

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they'd actually be worse at healing. one less cure per day ;)
if you want to make the healing domain better, make it directly better.


some domain spells are also only useful once a day (endure elements). many aren't good for continuous use, round after round. (produce flame is redundant, searing light often too expensive. curing is nearly ALWAYS good. this is a fixable problem, jujst would take work.

i'd type more, but my hands are unbelievably strained. i'm gonna abandon this thread and leave the argumenbs i made. if xev wins, well, i'll just have to cry ;)

[brainface]

Unearthed Arcana suggests doing what Xev suggests, but leaving spont. cures, and bumping heal dice to 1d12 if you've got the heal domain. I could get behind that, i think. the best of both worlds, but a few less spells/day.

Another sugg. i read on a board was allowing spont. casting of domain spells within domain slots. So a destruction/water cleric could choose on the fly to cast inlict light wounds or obscuring mist, and a healing/fire could choose cure moderate or produce flame for his 2nd level domain spell. that;d allow clerics to use the really contingent domain spells more without too much modification to the class.

[Soup Nazi]

Options for spontaneous domain casters will be in the PHB II. I read it in the preview today.

-Nasty-

[brainface]

i know... i was just talking to you :)
Again, i'm not going to be too excited about it if it's nothing more than what Xeviat said. cuz i can read what he said right here. don't need to get no book.

[Soup Nazi]

I've been posting everywhere. Forgive me for not realizing I was just talking to you in the previews thread. I'm going forum crazy today...insanity is gradually taking hold.

-Nasty-