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#15
September 05, 2007, 04:35:07 PM
LC, I've been keeping that in mind the whole time.  I'm not convinced in any way that anyone did steal my stuff.  I just thought it made a good conversation and/or rant-against-WotC topic :)
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#16
September 05, 2007, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: IshmaylBut damn, come on... Shadowfell???  :)
Devil's Advocate time:

1.) Compound names are all over fantasy literature and gaming.

2.) Shadow/darkness is a very common symbol for dangerous and evil stuff, and has a pretty long tradition of use in D&D (negative energy plane, etc.)

3.) "Fell" (the adjective) is a convenient word because it's antiquated-sounding, it basically means "dangerous" and it doesn't share adjacent consonants with "shadow" (so the resulting compound is easier to pronounce clearly than, say, "shadow well" is.)

It's definitely not the kind of word you hear people saying all the time, but commonly-encountered words generally do not make for memorable titles.

QuoteLC, I've been keeping that in mind the whole time. I'm not convinced in any way that anyone did steal my stuff. I just thought it made a good conversation and/or rant-against-WotC topic
True, and ranting is always fun, but I think we might be jousting at windmills here. :)
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#17
September 05, 2007, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: Poseidon
Quote from: Rocket MisfireAdd to your.sig on the WotC boards the line "I post with full knowledge that everything I post becomes the intellectual property of Wizards of the Coast, and that I receive no compensation for any intellectual property I give to Wizards of the Coast through posting."

If you do this at least use the proper words.

I've modified the auto-spell checker of my computer to recognize "thru". I spell your "through" T-H-R-U. And that's how I like it.

Stargate525

#18
September 05, 2007, 05:03:00 PM
Quote from: Rocket MisfireI've modified the auto-spell checker of my computer to recognize "thru". I spell your "through" T-H-R-U. And that's how I like it.
except you spelled it T-H-R-E-W. ;)
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#19
September 05, 2007, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: Luminous Crayon[...] True, and ranting is always fun, but I think we might be jousting at windmills here. :)
Which is a perfectly legimate tactic! ;)

</offtopic> :P

the_taken

#20
September 05, 2007, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Stargate525
Quote from: Rocket MisfireI've modified the auto-spell checker of my computer to recognize "thru". I spell your "through" T-H-R-U. And that's how I like it.
except you spelled it T-H-R-E-W. ;)

Wah?

Quote from: Rocket MisfireAdd to your.sig on the WotC boards the line "I post with full knowledge that everything I post becomes the intellectual property of Wizards of the Coast, and that I receive no compensation for any intellectual property I give to Wizards of the Coast threw posting."

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#21
September 05, 2007, 08:48:33 PM
For future, like that anonymous guy Ishmayl was talking about said, we should just link it from here. Or we could spread the word to some true D&D freaks that linking stuff from other websites gives you experience points...
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#22
September 05, 2007, 09:32:43 PM
There is a relevant discussion occurring here

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=761045. On the last two pages.
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#23
September 05, 2007, 11:15:14 PM
Quote from: Sir VorpalFor future, like that anonymous guy Ishmayl was talking about said, we should just link it from here. Or we could spread the word to some true D&D freaks that linking stuff from other websites gives you experience points...
Like Marriland.com? Or Gia?

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#24
September 06, 2007, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: Luminous Crayon"Fell" (the adjective) is a convenient word because it's antiquated-sounding, it basically means "dangerous" ...
"Fell" is also a noun that means "wide field."

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#25
September 06, 2007, 10:16:20 PM
Believe it or not, I was actually going to use Shadowfell as a name for... something, way back when, before I saw your setting or any of the others on the WotC forums. That being said, I also think it's possible they could be stealing ideas. It's the perfect place to do it. Hell, I've looked at other people's settings before and thought "oooooh, I want to use that... but he's got it.. and i don't want to be a jerk... damn...", and it's certainly happened more than once. I wouldn't be surprised at all if WotC thought something really was nice and decided to use it. So whoever said to be honored that they stole your stuff made a fairly legitimate argument in my opinion, though the capitalist parts of me would rather people made money off it.
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#26
September 07, 2007, 06:52:44 AM
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#27
September 07, 2007, 09:14:33 AM
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[/quoteOoh, neat; I had no idea.

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#28
September 07, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
damnation!  I thought I was original :(
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#29
September 07, 2007, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Ishmayldamnation!  I thought I was original :(
Don't worry. Your Shadowfell is way cooler than WotC's Shadowfell.
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