The Day the Earth Stood Still is a Bad Movie (a rant)

[Ninja D!]

I don't even know what the Ori are. I lost interest long before that and only saw a little with Anubis. I didn't like the direction they took it. The first few episodes of SG-1 are the best. You know, where they actually discuss what Earth cultures the worlds seem to be continuations of and NOT EVERYBODY SPEAKS ENGLISH.

I heard about the Arthurian stuff and I just couldn't get behind that at all.

I've thought about getting back to SG-1 and into Atlantis. Something I could watch with my GF, anyway. For myself I still have about 25 seasons of Doctor Who to get through as well as the B5 episodes / movies with commentary.

JMS just wanted more money for it and said he didn't want to dilute B5 with more sub-par stories...thing is, everyone I talked to loved The Lost Tales. No one seemed to think that was sub-par. I really wanted to see the Londo episode. JMS said he would only do more if WB would fund a theatrical release. I can't put into words how happy that would make me...

[Elemental_Elf]

I don't even know what the Ori are. I lost interest long before that and only saw a little with Anubis. I didn't like the direction they took it. The first few episodes of SG-1 are the best. You know, where they actually discuss what Earth cultures the worlds seem to be continuations of and NOT EVERYBODY SPEAKS ENGLISH.

That's easy to explain. The creators have stated that due to the limitation of an hour broadcast, & TV in general, it was necessary to make believe Daniel (or Jonas for 1 season, or Teal'c) had spent time off air learning the people's language and was playing the part of interpreter. They couldn't do this because 1) it would get old quick and 2) it would take too much on screen time, which diminishes the story as a whole. However, I would submit that much of the galaxy would know a 'common' tongue, that being Egyptian (since most of the System Lords (even the nonegyptian ones) used heiroglyphics).

I heard about the Arthurian stuff and I just couldn't get behind that at all.

Actually, it was my favorite thing about the last 2 seasons of SG-1. It (and Vala) really revitalized the show (which was subsuiquently dragged down by too many story lines).  

I've thought about getting back to SG-1 and into Atlantis. Something I could watch with my GF, anyway. For myself I still have about 25 seasons of Doctor Who to get through as well as the B5 episodes / movies with commentary.

I can't imagine buying the entire series of Doctor Who (I'm broke just buying 1 DVD box set >.< ). Stargate will be here for a long time seeing as it is currently the most popular Sci-Fi show on TV.

JMS just wanted more money for it and said he didn't want to dilute B5 with more sub-par stories...thing is, everyone I talked to loved The Lost Tales. No one seemed to think that was sub-par. I really wanted to see the Londo episode. JMS said he would only do more if WB would fund a theatrical release. I can't put into words how happy that would make me...

That would tickle me pink... Even if the movie was released in select theatres only...

[Cheomesh]

I had an INSATIABLE urge to kick in Vala's head.  She was the last straw for me, personally.

M.

[Elemental_Elf]

I had an INSATIABLE urge to kick in Vala's head.  She was the last straw for me, personally.

M.

How can you say that? She single handedly revitalized SG-1 and made group dynamics far more interesting. My biggest disappointment was that the actress who played Vala didn't sign on to be a full time cast member earlier!

What didn't you like about her?

[Cheomesh]

Everything from her character pretense to the shitty attempts at humor from her.  She was even worse than the failure that replaced O'Neil.  She also never SHUT UP >:|

M.

[Matt Larkin (author)]

Everything from her character pretense to the shitty attempts at humor from her.  She was even worse than the failure that replaced O'Neil.  She also never SHUT UP >:|

M.

You didn't like Ben Browder?

Speaking of sci-fi shows I loved, Farscape rocked (which also featured Claudia Black for those that missed it).

[Stargate525]

I feel I should stay out of this...

I couldn't stand Vala either. I think what they were shooting for was 'lovable rogue.' What I got from it was 'whiny kleptomaniac who isn't an asset in any measurable sense.'

[Ninja D!]

I don't even know what the Ori are. I lost interest long before that and only saw a little with Anubis. I didn't like the direction they took it. The first few episodes of SG-1 are the best. You know, where they actually discuss what Earth cultures the worlds seem to be continuations of and NOT EVERYBODY SPEAKS ENGLISH.

That's easy to explain. The creators have stated that due to the limitation of an hour broadcast, & TV in general, it was necessary to make believe Daniel (or Jonas for 1 season, or Teal'c) had spent time off air learning the people's language and was playing the part of interpreter. They couldn't do this because 1) it would get old quick and 2) it would take too much on screen time, which diminishes the story as a whole. However, I would submit that much of the galaxy would know a 'common' tongue, that being Egyptian (since most of the System Lords (even the nonegyptian ones) used heiroglyphics).

I see that as a lame explanation. The didn't react to things like one person was translating. That still hurt the show as a whole for me. Removing those aspects damaged what I liked about it, not the other way around.

I've thought about getting back to SG-1 and into Atlantis. Something I could watch with my GF, anyway. For myself I still have about 25 seasons of Doctor Who to get through as well as the B5 episodes / movies with commentary.

I can't imagine buying the entire series of Doctor Who (I'm broke just buying 1 DVD box set >.< ). Stargate will be here for a long time seeing as it is currently the most popular Sci-Fi show on TV.

I haven't bought the newer seasons on DVD and don't know if I will ever invest that money. The older ones there are not DVDs for the whole series. There aren't even episodes for the whole series. A lot of it was scrapped. A good geek can always find what he / she wants, though.

Everything from her character pretense to the shitty attempts at humor from her.  She was even worse than the failure that replaced O'Neil.  She also never SHUT UP >:|

M.

You didn't like Ben Browder?

Speaking of sci-fi shows I loved, Farscape rocked (which also featured Claudia Black for those that missed it).

I didn't like that show at all.

[Elemental_Elf]

Everything from her character pretense to the shitty attempts at humor from her.  She was even worse than the failure that replaced O'Neil.  She also never SHUT UP >:|

M.

Wha!? Wow, i can't really respond to a plain dislike. i never really thought of Vala as a controversial character. To me she was the happy go lucky thief who was redeemed by the kindness and love presented to her by Daniel.

I do have to agree on Mitchel (Ben Browder) though. I don't think it was the actor so much as the writing. He was sort of like O'Niel's weird step son that no one wants to talk to. The writers would have been better served by making him more of an action Hero, though that would have drawn too many parallels between Mitchel and Shepard & Ronnan (from Atlantis)... The weird thing was that the writers really made Jonas feel different than Daniel which allowed the audience to move past Daniel, which is why their failure with Mitchel is so shocking.

I feel I should stay out of this...

I couldn't stand Vala either. I think what they were shooting for was 'lovable rogue.' What I got from it was 'whiny kleptomaniac who isn't an asset in any measurable sense.'

In the beginning I would agree with you. She was just a Klepto Rogue but the character grew SO much over the course of 2 seasons, to the point where she really became the true 4th member of SG-1 in my eyes (as opposed to Mitchel). I just feel Vala brought such a feminine vibe to a show that, in all honesty, Carter could never really portray. I really enjoyed Vala.

I see that as a lame explanation. The didn't react to things like one person was translating. That still hurt the show as a whole for me. Removing those aspects damaged what I liked about it, not the other way around.

It never bothered me. Honestly, it was such a burden the first few seasons that it was simply easier to drop it and get on with a great show.

I haven't bought the newer seasons on DVD and don't know if I will ever invest that money. The older ones there are not DVDs for the whole series. There aren't even episodes for the whole series. A lot of it was scrapped. A good geek can always find what he / she wants, though.

Very true. I've seen some of the earlier stuff and, IMO, the new/revamped show is much better (even if I have to suffer through an entire season with the 9th Doctor). :)

[Matt Larkin (author)]

Admittedly the writing and stories for Browder's SG-1 character were certainly weaker than those for his Farscape one.

But yeah, maybe it was hard to find a niche for the character. You wouldn't want to type-cast as one too much like Chricton. And Daniel/Sam already covered the intellectual, Teal'C the badass/wry humor guy. That only left something like O'Neil's ironic leadership and reluctant heroism, or pure comic relief (which wouldn't work as well for a field leader).

[Elemental_Elf]

Admittedly the writing and stories for Browder's SG-1 character were certainly weaker than those for his Farscape one.

But yeah, maybe it was hard to find a niche for the character. You wouldn't want to type-cast as one too much like Chricton. And Daniel/Sam already covered the intellectual, Teal'C the badass/wry humor guy. That only left something like O'Neil's ironic leadership and reluctant heroism, or pure comic relief (which wouldn't work as well for a field leader).

Which is why, maybe, they should have cast a new female to replace O'Niel. Nothing is more opposite of a male than a female. They could have made her more of a Commander Shelby (from TNG episodes "The Best of Both Worlds") -esque character. Meaning some one who is on the fast track to General-ship and is often unsympathetic towards those under her. As the first season with her proceeds, she softens up, slightly and bonds with Daniel (the obvious choice). She would be the bull headed 'marine' of the group. Alternatively, they could have made Jack's replacement a Russian, which would have been a true break with the past and could have opened more doors for interesting geo-political sub-plots.

The writers had far more avenues open to themselves than 'a corn fed Jack O'Niel.'

[Ninja D!]

I see that as a lame explanation. The didn't react to things like one person was translating. That still hurt the show as a whole for me. Removing those aspects damaged what I liked about it, not the other way around.

It never bothered me. Honestly, it was such a burden the first few seasons that it was simply easier to drop it and get on with a great show.

I didn't see it as a burden at all. I saw it as the best thing about the show. It wasn't really the first few seasons, either. It was pretty much only the first few episodes.

I haven't bought the newer seasons on DVD and don't know if I will ever invest that money. The older ones there are not DVDs for the whole series. There aren't even episodes for the whole series. A lot of it was scrapped. A good geek can always find what he / she wants, though.

I didn't have a problem with Christopher Eccelston. I kind of liked him. Of course, I don't think I'll ever like a Doctor better than David Tennant. I don't have very high hopes for the new guy. I'm giving the show one season with the new Doctor and production crew but if it turns out like the 'The Next Doctor' Christmas special, that show and I may have to part ways.

[Matt Larkin (author)]

This thread is so derailed...

We may as well derail it further. What are others all time favorite sci-fi shows (if you had to pick only one)? I already mentioned mine was B5.

[Ninja D!]

This thread is so derailed...

We may as well derail it further. What are others all time favorite sci-fi shows (if you had to pick only one)? I already mentioned mine was B5.

Yeah, at first I felt a little bad...then it just went so far off track there was no turning back. I should have created a new thread when I had the thought.

[Elemental_Elf]

We may as well derail it further. What are others all time favorite sci-fi shows (if you had to pick only one)? I already mentioned mine was B5.

I love B5 and Stargate, Star Trek and Star Wars are obvious favorites... Sliders is a good dark horse favorite, at least the early seasons... OH! Earth: Final Conflict is a good call. I loved that show.