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what's the feeling of the New Star Trek?

Started by LordVreeg, May 07, 2009, 09:32:16 AM

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Just saw it: I loved it. Much more accessible, too.
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LordVreeg

well, based on the the critiques of people I respect, I will probably break my bigscreen moratorium and go see this.
In my head there is this thing about either stay within the bounds of what a creator did or write your own damn story, don't try to take advantage of both...But as SG525 mentioned, reserve judgement until you have experienced it yourself.  
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Steerpike

I liked it very much.  If you're torn between this and Wolverine, see Star Trek.

I don't really think canon issues should be a worry.  The old series(es) are still there, they can still be watched, they're just as legitimate as the new movie.  Arguments about canonicity have always struck me as a tad silly, personally.

[spoiler]Chekov was somehow both stupid and hilarious.  Like a funnier Jar Jar Binks who's actually halfway competent.  I think he's more or less like that in the original series, though??[/spoiler]

LordVreeg

[blockquote=Steerpike]I don't really think canon issues should be a worry. The old series(es) are still there, they can still be watched, they're just as legitimate as the new movie. Arguments about canonicity have always struck me as a tad silly, personally.[/blockquote]
I'm actually surprised to hear you say that.  I am liking the comments I am reading and as I said, I have a lot of respect for the writers of these posts here, yourself very much included.  And everything I have read says that the movie is well written and canon was looked at carefully deviation was carefully thought out, not haphazard.  

But it is here amongst creators that I expected canon to mean a little more.  Somehow, I am always thinking of what the viewpoint would be from there.  I care not a whit for the rest.
Ah well.  This is why I wanted to get the opinons.
 
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Steerpike

I think continuity issues should be clear, as far as possible, and internal contradictions are bad, but I don't understand the issue of one version of the show/film/franchise "superseding" another.  Like, say in the James Bond series, I don't feel that say Sean Connery's Bond is any more or less "real" or "the real Bond" or "definitive" than Daniel Craig's.  They're just different, and both perfectly valid, and should be judged as separate entities, by their own merits.  Just as this movie doesn't mean that the original series or TNG/DS9 etc are lost or "thrown out" because of continuity changes; the episodes still exist, they're still watchable and enjoyable, and can be appreciated on their own merits.  Insofar as that sort of thing goes, I don't really understand fan canon anxieties.

That said, for those that are worried about the new film screwing with the canon/continuity, I think it did a very good, careful job, rather than a haphazard one (so, you're completely right, Vreeg).

Elven Doritos

Anyone who has spoken to me of Star Trek knows that I'm a big Trek fan, specifically DS9. If you prefer any other Trek series you're wrong and you can go sit in the corner and feel bad.

I'm kidding.

Seriously.

Anyway. I really liked the movie. I've been a Trek fan all my life. My dad loved it, he's been a big fan since the original series. The characters all had their moments to shine and the casting was excellent. The plot was respectful and mixed with just the right amount of nostalgia to appeal to the core Trek fans as well as general audiences.

I'm keeping this spoiler-free so that I can say: don't expect any mind-blowing philosophy or anything, but go see this movie. It's a good film, it's fun, and it brings the feeling, if not the specifics, of the classic franchise to a new audience.

And there's no way I can dislike that.
Oh, how we danced and we swallowed the night
For it was all ripe for dreaming
Oh, how we danced away all of the lights
We've always been out of our minds
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Drizztrocks

Quote from: beejazzSylar as Spock. Every bit as awesome as I had hoped*.

  And that is why I am going to see the movie.

Higgs Boson

I thought it was amazing. Especially since my local theater just opened up an Imax screen :P
 [spoiler WARNING] [spoiler SPOILER] [spoiler ALERT]Now, as far as changing the other series goes, old Spock said Romulan blew up 129 years in the future. Is that within Enterprise's Timeline?

Also, in the opening scene before it was explicitly stated they were Romulans, were you guys getting that vibe/immediately new it?[/spoiler] [/spoiler] [/spoiler]

EDIT: Also, the way this Star Trek is being seen by younger people not usually interested in it seeing it (i.e. most of my friends have never seen a star trek episode in their life, but really want to see it), I think (and this may be heresy to some here) if it is followed up by a new series, then it has a good chance to reglorify science through mass media, thus helping increase the general smartness that the U.S. seems to lack in school districts.

EDIT 2:  [spoiler SPOILER]As my understanding goes, Black Holes do not work that way!!!!

Also, red matter? seriously?

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Elemental_Elf

Just got back from the movie... As a Treker/Trekie all I can say is 'WOW!'

I loved everything about the movie and am looking forward to see it again on Sunday!

[spoiler]The movie hit all the right bells that made TOS great. The movie had camp, comedy, drama, sex... It had everything!

The only plot hole I could see would be that in the original continuity, the Federation of the 29th and 31st centuries had the mandate to keep the timeline safe. They often interfered in the affairs of Voyager and the NX Enterprise. However, I'm willing to let that issue slide since I never liked the concept.

I love the fact that Starfleet appears more diverse with Orions and other races, like that little guy hanging out with Scotty and the Denobulan(?) that helped birth Kirk.

Quick question, what do we call the alternate timeline? [/spoiler]

Higgs Boson

[spoiler]I say that continuity issues be fixed with another time travel movie, this time where new cast of TNG goes back in time in order to prevent that movie from ever happening! problem solved.[/spoiler]
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Stargate525

[spoiler]I agree to an extent on the black holes bit, but if naturally-forming wormholes DO occur, the odds are at least there...

And red matter, well, the Romulans have to have some way to generate those micro-singularities they use in their engines. Although it's somewhat ironic the big deal they make at the end that the Romulan ship has a black hole in it when, in reality, it could very well have had one in its engine the entire time.[/spoiler]
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Elemental_Elf

Quote from: Higgs Boson[spoiler]I say that continuity issues be fixed with another time travel movie, this time where new cast of TNG goes back in time in order to prevent that movie from ever happening! problem solved.[/spoiler]

How about we don't do that and let JJ Abrams make another stellar movie!

Quote from: Stargate525[spoiler]I agree to an extent on the black holes bit, but if naturally-forming wormholes DO occur, the odds are at least there...[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Very true, very true. I don't think the black hole is the correct term, since it did have electricity/lightning (at least on the other end). So it isn't a pure Black Hole, thus can have strange properties (such as this whole time travel stuff). [/spoiler]

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Quote from: Stargate525[spoiler]I agree to an extent on the black holes bit, but if naturally-forming wormholes DO occur, the odds are at least there...[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Very true, very true. I don't think the black hole is the correct term, since it did have electricity/lightning (at least on the other end). So it isn't a pure Black Hole, thus can have strange properties (such as this whole time travel stuff). [/spoiler]

[spoiler]And, unless I'm mistaken, lightning can happen in a vacuum if you build up enough of a charge. DUnno really WHY it would happen, but it sure as hell looked cool.[/spoiler]
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Quote from: Stargate525[spoiler]I agree to an extent on the black holes bit, but if naturally-forming wormholes DO occur, the odds are at least there...[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Very true, very true. I don't think the black hole is the correct term, since it did have electricity/lightning (at least on the other end). So it isn't a pure Black Hole, thus can have strange properties (such as this whole time travel stuff). [/spoiler]

[spoiler]And, unless I'm mistaken, lightning can happen in a vacuum if you build up enough of a charge. DUnno really WHY it would happen, but it sure as hell looked cool.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Damn Straight![/spoiler]

Nomadic

Quote from: Higgs BosonAlso, the way this Star Trek is being seen by younger people not usually interested in it seeing it (i.e. most of my friends have never seen a star trek episode in their life, but really want to see it), I think (and this may be heresy to some here) if it is followed up by a new series, then it has a good chance to reglorify science through mass media, thus helping increase the general smartness that the U.S. seems to lack in school districts.

If the youth of today learn science from star trek I would be very afraid for our future. You couldn't fill a thimble with the amount of hard, non-techno babble science that is found in trek. Regardless I still love it. Though I love it for the very thing that seems to be in less supply in this film, namely the philosophical concepts.