what's the feeling of the New Star Trek?

[LordVreeg]

Also, the way this Star Trek is being seen by younger people not usually interested in it seeing it (i.e. most of my friends have never seen a star trek episode in their life, but really want to see it), I think (and this may be heresy to some here) if it is followed up by a new series, then it has a good chance to reglorify science through mass media, thus helping increase the general smartness that the U.S. seems to lack in school districts.

Work gets in the way of me being around a lot.  

But both of these posts hit a lot of really resonant issues to me.  
1) Aside from canon or non canon, anything that puts value back into education is a good thing.  Period.  Anyone in business understands that R&D is the future, and in the business of goverrning, education is R&D!  I don't think anyone will learn any science from Trek, but they may be energized to learn more.
2) Nomadic touches on a very critical issue for me and GR's original ideas.  Trek episodes were often specifically designed to be parables, hidden by a smokescreen of SF.  One of the things that continued in the later series was this focus.  And many of the canonical 'big-picture' themes, such as the integration of the Federation vs. racial/governmental xenophobia, the Prime Directive, and the search for knowledge (the Final Frontier), to name just a few, are central in determining how this movie should be judged.  Not to the exclusion of other factors, but this should be part of the overall judgement.  
But if Eldo says it was fun...

[Higgs Boson]

When i say reglorify science, i mean make kids interested in science and math stuff. Not learn from it. Ohhhh no. That would be very bad. But just get them interested in it.

[Kaptn'Lath]

Has anyone watched "How William Shatner Changed the World?"

[Stargate525]

Indeed.

I thought it should have been how Roddenbury changed the world.

[Elemental_Elf]

Indeed.

I thought it should have been how Roddenbury changed the world.

It should have been titled "How a hack actor is claiming he changed the world when really it had very little to do with him, the TV show or its creator.' That show was nothing more than a cheap gimmick to get ratings from star trek fans.

[Ishmayl-Retired]

Finally saw the movie.  I'm not posting a full review.  But it was the best and most entertaining movie I've seen since TDK.  And it probably gave me the most exhilarating high I've had since seeing Fellowship of the Ring in the theater on opening night.  Absolutely fantastic movie.

[Matt Larkin (author)]

Agreed. And I think I have to add a separate section to the movie ratings. It just feels unfair to rate this one as part of the old series.

[Elemental_Elf]

Just saw the movie for the second time. I really missed a lot of little things the first time around... Also, the movie was just as exhilarating and amazing as the first.

[Higgs Boson]

I agree. I watched it again as well. In imax again. It was just as awesome. And to me, those guys still didn't look like romulans.

[Ishmayl-Retired]

I actually like giving romulans a different look.  They've always just looked like Vulcans, so giving them not-bowl-cuts, and curving their ears a bit, giving them face art, I thought it was all good ideas.

[Elemental_Elf]

I actually like giving romulans a different look.  They've always just looked like Vulcans, so giving them not-bowl-cuts, and curving their ears a bit, giving them face art, I thought it was all good ideas.

I love the new look, minus the fact they don't have those forehead protrusions.

[Elemental_Elf]

God, I love the musicality of the movie. Listening to the sound track on Youtube makes me want to go out and buy it tomorrow...

[Ishmayl-Retired]

Hmmm... if anything about the movie was a bit disappointing to me, it was actually the music.  It's not that it was bad by any means, but it just wasn't as grand as I was expecting.  It also resolved very fast.  The main motif was only about 2 measures long, and you would hear that main riff once in an entire musical piece.  But then again, it could just because I'm used to TOS and TNG.

[Ra-Tiel]

Ok, I finally saw the movie today.

So, finally, Star Trek transformed from
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into a heavily mainstreamed version of
[spoiler=that][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Rating]
As an ordinary and vanilla sci-fi movie I'd give it 7/10 points.

As a Star Trek movie, however, I'll give it 2/10 points - Leonard Nimoy being the movie's only saving grace.
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[spoiler=Issues, Problems, logical impossibilities]
Sigh, I really don't know where to start.

(1) The ship being built on the ground. Considering the basics of mechanic and logic, why the heck would you build a starship on the surface of the planet instead of a dry dock in space? The components are much harder to move around, the whole structure of the starship must be built in a way to support its own frame and weight, and you'll need to finally beat the escape velocity of the planet to get the thing where it belongs.

(2) Red matter and black holes. Seriously, of all the technological and physical shenanigans ST has pulled in its life, red matter (and its acompanying way of time travel) is definitivly on top of the BS-hill. While the Borg in Nemesis at least used something that could theoretically enable time travelling (tachyons - particles that cannot move slower than the speed of light while all other particles cannot move faster than the speed of light and thus seriously mess up relativistic physics), singularities and black holes just don't work the way. Never. Ever.

(3) The Narada, a mining vessel. Of course. It looked more than the bastard child of a Babylon 5 shadow crab and a Perry Rhodan sphere ship than anything else. Also, why the heck was that thing practically hollow inside? Shouldn't there have been - as it's typical for mining ships - storage rooms and processing facilities for the mined ore?

(4) Vulcan and a blue sky. FYI, Vulcan is a desert planet with only minor bodies of water. Considering that the blue color of earth's sky result from light being reflected by the oceans, it's pretty obvious that Vulcan cannot possibly have a horizon spanning blue firmament.

(5) Delta Vega. Sure, a so far unknown stellar body in the Vulcan system (and coincidentally orbiting right next to Vulcan and even more coincidentally currently so aligned that you could watch Vulcan's destruction from its surface) has a Federation research outpost on it and bears a non-vulcan name. No logical or other problems with that. No, of course not. Never mind.
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[spoiler=Plot]
Let me get that right. Yet another revenge-driven unforgiving romulan villain with yet another unstoppable-once-fired planet-destroying superweapon sets out to destroy the UFP. Someone please show the director and screenwriters the way to Plotstorming.com - they seem to need professional help.

Also, good to know that UFP starships don't have a brig or holding cells but instead must jettison every bad guy into space. Why merely restrict Kirk to his quarters or stuff him into a cell when you can maroon him on a to human life hostile ice world with predators that eat dire bears for breakfast.

Prime Spock's ship's payload of red matter. Sure, you need only a drop of Unobtainium to stop the galaxy-devestating (!) supernova but nonetheless fit the ship with a whole frigging metric ton of it - just in case, of course.

And please, for the sake of all that's holy and good, don't get me started on the love story between Uhura and Spock. There was basically no build up leading to the almost rape in the turbolift where she jumped on him like a bitch in heat - completely out of the blue.
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If you excuse me now, I'm going to wash my eyes with bleach to forget that godawful movie and the wasted time in the cinema. Star Trek was the first movie for over a year when I left the theatre before the endcredits were done and the curtain fell, because nothing - absolutely nothing - that could have possibly come after the credits would have saved the film.

[spoiler=Though I fear the bleach may not work...][/spoiler]

[Elemental_Elf]

[spoiler=]

(1) The ship being built on the ground. Considering the basics of mechanic and logic, why the heck would you build a starship on the surface of the planet instead of a dry dock in space? The components are much harder to move around, the whole structure of the starship must be built in a way to support its own frame and weight, and you'll need to finally beat the escape velocity of the planet to get the thing where it belongs.

IIRC, the TOS Enterprise was constructed in San Francisco...

(2) Red matter and black holes. Seriously, of all the technological and physical shenanigans ST has pulled in its life, red matter (and its acompanying way of time travel) is definitivly on top of the BS-hill. While the Borg in Nemesis at least used something that could theoretically enable time travelling (tachyons - particles that cannot move slower than the speed of light while all other particles cannot move faster than the speed of light and thus seriously mess up relativistic physics), singularities and black holes just don't work the way. Never. Ever.

Technically, it was First Contact you are thinking of, not Nemesis. :)

Second, is Red Matter and 'Black Holes' any less BS that revolving around a sun to go back in time?

(4) Vulcan and a blue sky. FYI, Vulcan is a desert planet with only minor bodies of water. Considering that the blue color of earth's sky result from light being reflected by the oceans, it's pretty obvious that Vulcan cannot possibly have a horizon spanning blue firmament.

Didn't notice the problem, though I do acknowledge it, it does not lessen the movie for me.

(5) Delta Vega. Sure, a so far unknown stellar body in the Vulcan system (and coincidentally orbiting right next to Vulcan and even more coincidentally currently so aligned that you could watch Vulcan's destruction from its surface) has a Federation research outpost on it and bears a non-vulcan name. No logical or other problems with that. No, of course not. Never mind.

Delta Vega could just be the official term for the planet, just was Earth is Sol III. Also, given that Nero marooned Spock on the planet to watch Vulcan crumble, it seems logical that Nero would put Spock on the right side. Further, if Delta Vega had not been in the right place, then I am sure Nero would have marooned Spock in a small escape pod far enough away to be safe, close enough to watch.
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[spoiler=Plot]

Let me get that right. Yet another revenge-driven unforgiving romulan villain with yet another unstoppable-once-fired planet-destroying superweapon sets out to destroy the UFP. Someone please show the director and screenwriters the way to Plotstorming.com - they seem to need professional help.

Shinzon was NOT Romulan, he was human, a clone of Picard. Also, the Romulans are deceitful and prone to the trope of the evil genius, which means doomsday weapons and horribly convoluted plans to disintegrate friendships between species are common.

Also, good to know that UFP starships don't have a brig or holding cells but instead must jettison every bad guy into space. Why merely restrict Kirk to his quarters or stuff him into a cell when you can maroon him on a to human life hostile ice world with predators that eat dire bears for breakfast.

Actually, Spock wanted Kirk off the ship because Kirk posed a problem for morale. His very presence was a beacon for those who questioned Spock's command. Further, as was proven in the movie, Spock was emotionally unstable and thus prone to giving weird commands.

Prime Spock's ship's payload of red matter. Sure, you need only a drop of Unobtainium to stop the galaxy-devestating (!) supernova but nonetheless fit the ship with a whole frigging metric ton of it - just in case, of course.

Why go small when you can go BIG?

And please, for the sake of all that's holy and good, don't get me started on the love story between Uhura and Spock. There was basically no build up leading to the almost rape in the turbolift where she jumped on him like a bitch in heat - completely out of the blue.

It was alluded to through out the movie, including the bit about Uhura not being assigned to the Enterprise because it would show 'favoritism.' There could have been deleted scenes where their love was emphasized more, perhaps they cut that along with the Klingon fleet being destroyed.
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