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#15
June 15, 2009, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: sparkletwistWell, do you want a setting with a little something for everyone, or do you want a setting that's just as many overdone stereotypes as possible?

It seems like you asked for the first and are listing more of the second, but that's just me...
Yet, it kinda seemed that way to me, too.

If it is the former, the real question is how to set up the setting so any type of campaign can run well. The specific details, cliched or otherwise, could come after deciding, saying, you need to accommodate steam punk, horror, political intrigue, historical, and satire in the same setting.
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June 15, 2009, 11:25:12 PM
Quote from: sparkletwistWell, do you want a setting with a little something for everyone, or do you want a setting that's just as many overdone stereotypes as possible?

It seems like you asked for the first and are listing more of the second, but that's just me...
Setting content can work for or against you depending on what kind of game you're trying to run, but I think the primary factor there is how you run the game. In other words, it's more adventure design and less setting design. The second is a more easily attainable goal. Further, many of the cliches become cross genre cliches to facilitate those little somethings everyone wants. "Shadowy orgnizations" for mystery and espionage. "Exotic locales" for exploration. "War, revolution, etc." for action and combat. "Realms of death and madness" for a certain kind of horror. And so on and so forth.
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June 15, 2009, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: Epic Meepo
Quote from: beejazzGenre cliches (sword and sorcery, cloak and sword, high fantasy, local myths, fairy tales, cosmic horror, gothic horror, pulp, noir, sword and planet, and trippy science fiction are all likely candidates).
Sword and sorcery, high fantasy, local myths, fairy tales, cosmic horror, and gothic horror should probably be covered if all of the previous suggestions made in this thread are implemented, but the other genres you list might need some attention.

What are some cliches from the cloak and sword, pulp, noir, sword and planet, and trippy science fiction genres that should appear in a kitchen sink setting?

Cloak and sword (in my understanding) is like a proto swords and sorcery from much earlier and often minus the magic. Robin Hood, King Arthur (maybe), Three Musketeers, etc. Might include things from later. Maybe the Scarlet Pimpernel or what have you. So dashing swordsmen, bandits, knights... you get the idea.

Pulp is... hard to pin down. But it fits the kitchen sink with its fast and loose anything goes attitude.

Noir as a sort of character based mystery that can turn to violence and betrayal at the drop of a hat.

Sword and planet because... well, outer space doesn't have to work realistically in fantasy. I remember one of the Paladins visited the moon in one of his adventures. Steampunk often incorporates early scifi's attitudes towards science.

Trippy science fiction would include Dune, Wrinkle in Time, Glory Road (I might be thinking of something else), Lathe of Heaven, or whatever. The scientific expanation isn't a crucial part of this science fiction, so it isn't as hard to throw in there. Psychics and seers and their drugs, spacial anomalies and hiveminds, world hopping with gates, and breaking the universe fit in perfectly with a kitchen sink fantasy.
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Elemental_Elf

#18
June 16, 2009, 02:42:42 AM
Quote from: Lord Vreegwe really haven't spoken about an obligatory patriarchal pantheon with a bunch of petty half-wits inexplicably with godlike powers.

I'm thinking I'd need some fey, pale non-human tortured hero with a big runesword running around screwing every queen he meets and getting all weak kneed every few weeks.  Maybe a little old school.

A big warrior from the north and a little thief from the city who've named their non-magical weapons may be ok.

I'm thinking every region should have a shadowy underground organization, no matter how little sense it makes.

more later, after I can get some wine,

I find it strange such an idea would be so common... Yet it is undeniable, the concept is everywhere.

I always preferred the idea of two or three very large pan-national thieves/assassin guilds each divided into hundreds of tiny cells that change their allegence when ever the opportunity strikes the cell's leader.

Epic Meepo

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June 16, 2009, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: sparkletwistWell, do you want a setting with a little something for everyone, or do you want a setting that's just as many overdone stereotypes as possible?

It seems like you asked for the first and are listing more of the second, but that's just me...
I was hoping people would list things that they think are necessary to tell particular stories from particular genres - steam punk requires a nation with clockwork tech, high fantasy is more familiar to players when you include the classic Tolkenesque stereotypes, gothic horror often works best in a mist-shrouded land of crumbling castles and superstitious peasants - that sort of thing.

But I agree that some of what I am getting are just genre cliches that are not particularly essential.

However, this being a brainstorming thread, I am not pre-judging anyone's input. If someone tells me that a setting that has something for everyone must have a nation resembling, say, Napoleonic France, I'm just going to add it to the list. I'll decide whether a clone of Napoleonic France is actually required to accommodate a particular fantasy genre at some later point in time.
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June 16, 2009, 01:41:49 PM
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#21
June 18, 2009, 01:01:21 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Any other suggestions for setting elements you need to accommodate various fantasy genres?

I know one we've missed: a coastline prowled by pirates. It's not a kitchen sink setting if it doesn't have an area that's perfect for a pirate-themed campaign.
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#22
June 18, 2009, 01:16:25 PM
Transsylvania-style country with dark mountains and gothic superstitions.
Some kind of church branch fighting the powers of evil.
Gates to hell. (can't stress this enough :p )
Flying islands
Crystals of power
Cold mysterious north
Possessing demons
A meaningless cold war/trench war
Mirror dimension
Bounty hunters
Crime lords
Labyrinths
Human sacrifice

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June 18, 2009, 01:29:47 PM
Good Lord, I forgot racial strife!!!

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#24
June 18, 2009, 03:52:36 PM
How could I forget gates to Hell and racial strife! Also, I hadn't listed an unexplored frontier yet.

OP updated to add these new suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

EDIT: I think I'm going to have to maintain a list of necessary plot devices in addition to necessary locations. That way, we've got a kitchen sink of specific adventure ideas, not just campaign setting ideas.
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Superfluous Crow

#25
June 19, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
Also mafias and crime syndicates.
A communist state?
A new continent flooded by settlers.
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