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Started by Elemental_Elf, October 04, 2009, 05:58:14 PM

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QuoteLou Diamond Phillips

Pretty sure he died

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QuoteLou Diamond Phillips

He's listed as a re-occurring character though...

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he was in an F-302 (i don't think the one that crashed) and Carter said that they beamed everyone outside the base onto the Hammond (love the name by the way), i think he survived and will be in the SGC scenes
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Quote from: XXsiriusXXI'll give it one more episode before I give up on it.  

To be brutally honest, if I had been able to watch the first two episodes of SG-1 (or hell the entire first season) when the show first premiered, I would have given up on it. The show had horrible writing, shallow characters, predictable plots and stiff acting. There was little there that could have enticed me to stay.

Thinking about it, I could say the same thing about TNG... Actually TNG didn't become good until they got rid of those Spandex Uniforms... :)

You are right, the first season of sg-1 was rather weak, and I think RDA really carried that show during that time. I know the only reason I tuned in was because I liked the movie and because I wanted to see 'MacGyver in space'.  It wasn't until about mid way through season 2 when the writers started turning the main characters into people and not clichés.

As for TNG, it took a full season after they got rid of the spandex uniforms before it got any better. Even then it was still hit or miss for a good episode, until about season 5.  

As for watching it, I have always found something in the pilot of a show that makes me want to come back/keep watching it. I didn't see anything in SGU that I found worth sticking around for, which is kind of sad because I really like the SG universe.

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Quote from: Stargate525SG-1 as TNG, Atlantis as DS9, and Universe as Voyager
I noticed this, too. I wonder if it's just because you can only do so much with a sci-fi spinoff tv series, or if they're just that unoriginal. I guess if they do another series and it's a prequel, it seals the deal. Too bad there won't be feature films.... :P

They are just unoriginal.


Quote from: Elemental_ElfI'm not seeing the Atlantis-DS9 correlation.

- Both are Sequels
- Both center on a 'space city'.
- There's tension between two power groups with in the city (Bajorans-Starfleet, Civilian-Military).
- Both wound up using a lot more Space Ships than originally intended.
- Both have a premise of dealing with an overpowering external threat

Because all of those could be applied to SG-1, save for the 'space city' and sequel bits.

EDIT: The other two correlations make a lot of sense but Atlantis-DS9 not so much.

The same can be said for TNG, DS9, and Voyager, or any spin-off that is closely related to its parent show. Its not that Atlantis follows closely to DS9, but for the reasons that you listed above as well as being SG-1 first spin-off is what makes it this franchises DS9.

A few other similarities between DS9 and Atlantis: (most of these may just be cosmetic, but they are still there)

Both DS9 and Atlantis are built by non-humans and are occupied/controlled by humans.

Puddle jumper = runabout

Each has the ability to access a unique section of space; DS9 with the wormhole to the gamma quadrant; Atlantis access from the Pegasus Galaxy to the Milky Way Galaxy.

Both are accessed by a wormhole.

Both wormholes were created by very powerful begins who have no/no longer have corporal forms (this does carry over all of the SG universe, but still it is rather more then coincidental)

Both are a little darker then their predecessor


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Quote from: XXsiriusXXYou are right, the first season of sg-1 was rather weak, and I think RDA really carried that show during that time. I know the only reason I tuned in was because I liked the movie and because I wanted to see 'MacGyver in space'.  It wasn't until about mid way through season 2 when the writers started turning the main characters into people and not clichés.

MacGyver in Space? Ha, that show would be awesome! Too bad Carter was the true MacGyver of SG-1 :( :)

Quote from: XXsiriusXXAs for TNG, it took a full season after they got rid of the spandex uniforms before it got any better. Even then it was still hit or miss for a good episode, until about season 5.  

True enough. The show really became all it could be after 'The Best of Both Worlds pt. 1 & 2' but yeah Season 5 onward has the highest density of quality episodes.

Quote from: XXsiriusXXAs for watching it, I have always found something in the pilot of a show that makes me want to come back/keep watching it. I didn't see anything in SGU that I found worth sticking around for, which is kind of sad because I really like the SG universe.

Stargate has brought me such joy over the years that I am inclined to at least tune my TV in on the first airing of the show if only to get the show past the first season hump. :)


Quote from: XXsiriusXXThe same can be said for TNG, DS9, and Voyager, or any spin-off that is closely related to its parent show. Its not that Atlantis follows closely to DS9, but for the reasons that you listed above as well as being SG-1 first spin-off is what makes it this franchises DS9.

A few other similarities between DS9 and Atlantis: (most of these may just be cosmetic, but they are still there)

Both DS9 and Atlantis are built by non-humans and are occupied/controlled by humans.

Puddle jumper = runabout

Each has the ability to access a unique section of space; DS9 with the wormhole to the gamma quadrant; Atlantis access from the Pegasus Galaxy to the Milky Way Galaxy.

Both are accessed by a wormhole.

Both wormholes were created by very powerful begins who have no/no longer have corporal forms (this does carry over all of the SG universe, but still it is rather more then coincidental)

Both are a little darker then their predecessor

I can totally see where people are drawing the correlations but, I was more thinking about the themes of DS9 vs. Atlantis and how, in the end, DS9 became much more embroiled in Alpha Quadrant politics while fighting the Dominion... Which feels more like the last 2 seasons of SG-1 (i.e. the Tau'ri, the Lucian Alliance and the Jaffa Nation all bickering with each other vs. big over-whelming external threat of the Ori). :)

XXsiriusXX

Quote from: Elemental_ElfMacGyver in Space? Ha, that show would be awesome! Too bad Carter was the true MacGyver of SG-1 :( :)

It would be an awesome show.

Quote from: Elemental_ElfI can totally see where people are drawing the correlations but, I was more thinking about the themes of DS9 vs. Atlantis and how, in the end, DS9 became much more embroiled in Alpha Quadrant politics while fighting the Dominion... Which feels more like the last 2 seasons of SG-1 (i.e. the Tau'ri, the Lucian Alliance and the Jaffa Nation all bickering with each other vs. big over-whelming external threat of the Ori). :)

Ah, I see now. I had forgotten a lot of seasons 9 and 10, but the point is very valid.

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I'm going to have to be probably the only person to say that I really dislike the Battle Star Galactica feel that SGU has, what with the shakey cameras and the apparent focus on romance (I heard one of the actors saying "this show is definitely sexier than the original"). We're jokingly calling it "Battle Stargatelactica" around my house.

But, after seeing the first episode, I feel that I like the main characters well enough.

[spoiler]I especially like that the senator guy was selfless enough to become an hero to give everyone else a chance.[/spoiler]

I'll give it a shot. It's on my DVR record list.
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Quote from: XeviatI'm going to have to be probably the only person to say that I really dislike the Battle Star Galactica feel that SGU has, what with the shakey cameras and the apparent focus on romance (I heard one of the actors saying "this show is definitely sexier than the original"). We're jokingly calling it "Battle Stargatelactica" around my house.
Agreed. Completely agreed.

And if 'sexier' means 'actual sex on-screen' then I'll take the built-up rapport that Carter and O'Neill had, thanks.
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Quote from: Stargate525And if 'sexier' means 'actual sex on-screen' then I'll take the built-up rapport that Carter and O'Neill had, thanks.

I was really disappointed when she didn't marry  Pete Shanahan.

(But yes that sex scene was not warranted nor wanted. They could have just as easily shown the two making out in some hawt fashion. Less is more in my opinion.)

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wow a bunch of geek/gamer guys (my self included) complaining about an unnecessary sex scene... Sparkletwist would be proud...

I think the CBG just leveled up.
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Elemental_Elf

Just finished watching Air pt. 3.

[spoilers=Just using this until monday (or when ever Hulu posts the episode)]I think some of the characters were definitely fleshed out in this episode, especially Greer, Scott and Rush. Telford (i.e. Lou Diamond Phillips) finally made a showing, if only for a short time.

Frankly, I'm unsure of the ancient stones. Granted they end the reliance on needless amounts of increasingly unlikely means to communicate back home (which was a huge problem I had with Voyager) but, at the same time it seems a little too convenient... Then again it appears the stones will be a key feature of the show and will help ground it in the Stargate mythology (principally, through the use of cameos (can't wait to see Daniel show up!)).

It seems Scott is the leader of the Destiny A-Team. Greer appears to be fill the 'racial minority warrior character who has a strong bond with his CO' slot (a spot previously occupied by both Teal'c and Ronon).

Based upon all the pre-show build up interviews, I didn't think I'd like Eli but, he's growing on me. He seems to be the only rational person on that ship...

Still have not seen much of Ming-Na's character, which is a big disappointment. She's a quality actress, who deserves screen time (not just in SGU but in other shows).

Did anyone else find it odd that everyone except Scott, the leader of the away mission, wore Desert camo? Why not Scott too? That heavy black outfit probably hurt him far more than the lack of water in the long run...

Does anyone else feel Jack needs a bit of a tan? I can understand the weight issue but you can hide so much with a good tan... Even a spray on one...

Anyways, it's late, lol [/spoiler]

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Quote from: Elemental_ElfI think some of the characters were definitely fleshed out in this episode, especially Greer, Scott and Rush. Telford (i.e. Lou Diamond Phillips) finally made a showing, if only for a short time.

They did flush them out more, but to me it didn't make Greer or Scott anymore interesting or likeable. If anything it made me really dislike Greer's character, and not in a 'character that you love to hate' way.  
Scott some how became more bland then he was in the pilot, which is just odd to me. The small amount of back-story that we get for him is somewhat interesting, but still he is just kind of blah.

Quote from: Elemental_ElfDid anyone else find it odd that everyone except Scott, the leader of the away mission, wore Desert camo? Why not Scott too? That heavy black outfit probably hurt him far more than the lack of water in the long run...

I wondered that to, it seems odd that he wouldn't wear any. They clearly had more Desert camo sets, as shown by the rest of the team wearing it. Maybe they didn't have any in his size? lol

[/spoiler]


Elemental_Elf

Ok, we're 6 episodes in. We've seen the ship evolve from a state of utter hopelessness to a survivable situation. We've met one race of beings who have proved semi-sentient. Other than that we've not met any truly sentient aliens.

Many of the characters have evolved and changed but on the whole we still haven't truly met any of the characters outside of Rush and Eli (and maybe Scott and Young). The ensemble nature of the show seems to be hampering any true emotional attachment to any character that aren't thrust in our face every few minutes (like Rush and Eli).

The 6th episode seemed a bit contrived, IMO, so as to illustrate Eli's naivete and (once again) show us that Clara sees Rush as an inhuman monster. Yay! >:(

 

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I'm still wondering why the ship decided it needed to get hydrogen and/or helium from the sun instead of, you know, the colder, denser, and more easily obtainable hydrogen and helium that would be found in the gas giant the ship used to brake.
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Quote from: Stargate525I'm still wondering why the ship decided it needed to get hydrogen and/or helium from the sun instead of, you know, the colder, denser, and more easily obtainable hydrogen and helium that would be found in the gas giant the ship used to brake.

Perhaps it was also using the massive magnetic energy of the Sun to do something... I mean these are the same people who invented batteries that suck vacuum energy from a parallel dimension...

(Plus we all know the whole going into the sun issue was made for the express purpose of a cliffhanger and a really cool cg scene. :) )