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#30
August 29, 2006, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: sdragon1984, ona'envalyainteresting tidbit: kobold, goblin, and leprechaun were cultural equivalents of each other. not only that, but from my understtanding (which may or may not be mistaken), kobold refers to the exact same creature as goblin, simply in a different language.
Actually, I'd disagree, in that goblin is a sort of European name for a kind of wicked (if not evil) faerie in general, not a specific type, whereas a kobold is described as a type of goblin because goblin is a general term much like the Unseelie.  A leprechaun is a more specific type of elf (also a faerie, but more mischievous than wicked).

I see the difference between goblins and elves in European folklore as basically equivalent to the Seelie/Unseelie Court divides.
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SilvercatMoonpaw

#31
August 29, 2006, 10:46:00 AM
Quote from: WitchHuntthink of a sinister creature with massive bat wings, twisted horns, glowing red eyes, massive teeth, and a way of movement that doesn't seem quite right.
Then it says "Hi, I'm Bob, I'll be your minister for today."

Seriously, I think where we differ is that you get disinterested by a different interpretation of "demon", and I absolutely love things being done other than the norm.

And I'm still not sure that pazuzu can be classified as an elemental, because he was seen by the ancient mesopotamians as something that pretty much fits "demon".
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Matt Larkin (author)

#32
August 29, 2006, 10:48:36 AM
I think the word "demon" comes from the Greek "daemon," but others are better with languages than I.  It was really the Judeo-Christian mythology that transformed them.  We have similar concepts of supernatural beings, we just now call the non-evil ones other things such as goblins, angels, demi-gods, or whatever.
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SDragon

#33
August 29, 2006, 10:54:33 AM
Quote from: SilvercatMoonpaw
Quote from: WitchHuntthink of a sinister creature with massive bat wings, twisted horns, glowing red eyes, massive teeth, and a way of movement that doesn't seem quite right.
Then it says "Hi, I'm Bob, I'll be your minister for today."

Seriously, I think where we differ is that you get disinterested by a different interpretation of "demon", and I absolutely love things being done other than the norm.

And I'm still not sure that pazuzu can be classified as an elemental, because he was seen by the ancient mesopotamians as something that pretty much fits "demon".

so would that be Not-Walter?

and my point on the "demon" issue is that, while "demon" may (or may not) fit a given being best, it isnt what the being was, merely a rough equivalent.
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#34
August 29, 2006, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: sdragon1984, ona'envalyaso would that be Not-Walter?
Hehe, Goblins ftw!
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#35
August 29, 2006, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: sdragon1984, ona'envalyainteresting tidbit: kobold, goblin, and leprechaun were cultural equivalents of each other. not only that, but from my understtanding (which may or may not be mistaken), kobold refers to the exact same creature as goblin, simply in a different language.



edit- as for the whole 'christianity' thing, i figured that ws the response i was going to get, but i figured it was better safe then sorry. to be clear, however, i was simply using christianity as an example; the same idea could be carried to any currently practiced religion.
Really? I heard that kobolds were evil spirits derived from dead-baby fetishes for the casting of magic spells. Wikipedia. Figures.
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#36
August 29, 2006, 04:03:43 PM
On an unrelated note... anyone familiar with a "chamber of Gaf"?
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#37
August 29, 2006, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: beejazz
Quote from: sdragon1984, ona'envalyainteresting tidbit: kobold, goblin, and leprechaun were cultural equivalents of each other. not only that, but from my understtanding (which may or may not be mistaken), kobold refers to the exact same creature as goblin, simply in a different language.



edit- as for the whole 'christianity' thing, i figured that ws the response i was going to get, but i figured it was better safe then sorry. to be clear, however, i was simply using christianity as an example; the same idea could be carried to any currently practiced religion.
Really? I heard that kobolds were evil spirits derived from dead-baby fetishes for the casting of magic spells. Wikipedia. Figures.


Most non-D&D references I have seen make it out to be a spirit that haunt mines.

brainface

#38
August 29, 2006, 09:08:27 PM
QuoteI like seeing how the mythology of fiendish beings has evolved, but at the end of the day I'm still doing to see that word and think of a sinister creature with massive bat wings, twisted horns, glowing red eyes, massive teeth, and a way of movement that doesn't seem quite right.
pretty bad[/i] on average. But if you convert the word 'jinn' to the nearest english word, you're gonna get 'demon'.
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SDragon

#39
August 29, 2006, 09:44:15 PM
Quote from: brainface
QuoteI like seeing how the mythology of fiendish beings has evolved, but at the end of the day I'm still doing to see that word and think of a sinister creature with massive bat wings, twisted horns, glowing red eyes, massive teeth, and a way of movement that doesn't seem quite right.
pretty bad[/i] on average. But if you convert the word 'jinn' to the nearest english word, you're gonna get 'demon'.




exactly what i was saying all along; djinn were djinn, plain and simple. closest equivalent you could find to them, however, would be "demon" (which, as is already established, they werent).
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Encyclopaedia Divine: Shamans
D20 Modern

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MURPG Guide to the Hulk and the Avengers
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Champions Worldwide

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Dungeon Master for Dummies
Dragon Magazine, issues #340, #341, and #343[/spoiler][spoiler=The Ninth Cabbage]  \@/
[/spoiler][spoiler=AKA]
SDragon1984
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Corn
Eggplant
Walrus
SpaceCowboy
Elfy
LizardKing
LK
Halfling Fritos
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#40
August 30, 2006, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: CYMRO of the TRUE Cabbage Cabal
Quote from: beejazz
Quote from: sdragon1984, ona'envalyainteresting tidbit: kobold, goblin, and leprechaun were cultural equivalents of each other. not only that, but from my understtanding (which may or may not be mistaken), kobold refers to the exact same creature as goblin, simply in a different language.



edit- as for the whole 'christianity' thing, i figured that ws the response i was going to get, but i figured it was better safe then sorry. to be clear, however, i was simply using christianity as an example; the same idea could be carried to any currently practiced religion.
Really? I heard that kobolds were evil spirits derived from dead-baby fetishes for the casting of magic spells. Wikipedia. Figures.


Most non-D&D references I have seen make it out to be a spirit that haunt mines.
Yes... the old "WTF ARE THOSE POISON GASSES" bit. Saw that too. Also... the word origin for "Cobalt"... if I'm not mistaken.
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QuoteI don't believe in it anyway.
What?
England.
Just a conspiracy of cartographers, then?

Matt Larkin (author)

#41
December 30, 2006, 10:51:43 AM
Shame this died...so BUMP :detect:
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