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Quote from: Ninja D!Pathfinder really made Bardic Knowledge lame. I am disappoint.

But Bardic Music (or Bardic "Performance" now) is much more awesome.  Give a little, get a little.

No, wait, I read it wrong. They totally made it better.

Well, they made it more useful in a practical way, at least.

The performing thing is weird.

After getting used to GURPS and a little D&D 4e, this system seems all counter intuitive, complex, and just wrong.

Maybe I'm a bit over tired, too.

Quote from: Ninja D!No, wait, I read it wrong. They totally made it better.

Well, they made it more useful in a practical way, at least.

The performing thing is weird.

After getting used to GURPS and a little D&D 4e, this system seems all counter intuitive, complex, and just wrong.

Maybe I'm a bit over tired, too.

Maybe it's because I NEVER got into 4e, but to me, Pathfinder seems to have taken 3.5 and made it more awesome.  I really like that the Bardic Performances allow a wider range of effects, some of which are actually more in line with what mythical Celtic bard song was actually supposed to do.  But that's my pagan/history nerd wanting accuracy, so I'm biased.

Edit: Anyway, we should both stop hijacking the thread and let it get back to its purpose.

Isn't discussion of and preparation for the game this thread's purpose now? If it isn't, I missed something.

The differences between 3.0 and 3.5 were so insignificant I can't believe WotC got me to buy those books. I was pretty gullible back then. Now the difference between 3.5 and Pathfinder is pretty much the same with the exception of "Pathfinder" sounding substantially cooler than "3.5".

Anyone have advice on a good feat for a bard to take? There were a couple of shinies but nothing that really stood out? Now that I've reached this point I kind of expect I'll end up switching to a rogue with the return of Magnus and his new character idea but hey, I'm finishing this one either way. This is the first Pathfinder character I've made, though I made dozens for 3.0 and 3.5 back in the day.

Quote from: Ninja D!Isn't discussion of and preparation for the game this thread's purpose now? If it isn't, I missed something.

The differences between 3.0 and 3.5 were so insignificant I can't believe WotC got me to buy those books. I was pretty gullible back then. Now the difference between 3.5 and Pathfinder is pretty much the same with the exception of "Pathfinder" sounding substantially cooler than "3.5".

Anyone have advice on a good feat for a bard to take? There were a couple of shinies but nothing that really stood out? Now that I've reached this point I kind of expect I'll end up switching to a rogue with the return of Magnus and his new character idea but hey, I'm finishing this one either way. This is the first Pathfinder character I've made, though I made dozens for 3.0 and 3.5 back in the day.

Actually Pathfinder updated and changed substantially more than 3.5 did to 3.0. All of the classes were updated and put on a more equal footing (CODzilla was toned down, Fighters brought up). Many basic things you do in combat were streamlined. Most of the spells were reworked. All of the races were changed and made more on par with the Dwarf (the best core race).

As for a feat... You can't go wrong with Extra Performance. Toughness is always useful (+3 HP now, +1 HP for ever hit die past 3).

Quote from: Ninja D!Isn't discussion of and preparation for the game this thread's purpose now? If it isn't, I missed something.

Of course it is.  We had just gotten a LITTLE bit off track by discussing the differences in systems.  I may have been a bit to quick to try to redirect thread drift, though.

And while the core of the system seems to be essentially the same, the classes and races have received massive overhauls.

I don't mind the discussions. There are things I don't get about PF myself. Speaking of which, i can't understand combat manoeuvres...

As the character takes more solid form, I'm starting to think Lawful Good isn't quite appropriate.  I'm starting to think he works for the spirit of the law, but works outside the law.  I've come up with the following background and monologue.  Not knowing too much about the world yet, I took some liberties.  So MSTie, if anything I have written here contradicts something you have in mind for the world, let me know and I can change it appropriately.

 [ic=Biggs Dixon]The city is teeming with evil and decay.  The vermin scuttle about, sniffing for the advantage, and stabbing each other in the back.  Their putrid morality assaults my nostrils, and the stench of their lies makes me sick to my stomach.  The law means nothing anymore.  The citizens flaunt the laws in their underground societies and speakeasies, and the cops and lawyers are no better.  To get real justice now, you've got to go and get it yourself, or failing that, you need someone who can work outside the system.  I dwell in the festering black heart of the city, a heart that lies nestled in the bosom of a whore.  My people raised themselves up from slavery, and now they're just as bad as everyone else'"hands in everybody's pockets.  But we know the gutter.  I know the streets, I've learned the twists and turns of her clotted arteries and varicose veins.  I've had my share of sewer stains, I've gotten mud between my toes, I've had blood on my hands, and not always my own.  I kill people when I have to.  You've got to take out the trash when the house starts to stink.  But the whole city stinks.  It's a cesspool.  But it's my cesspool, and hell if I'm going to let anyone take it from me.[/ic]
Biggs Dixon is a Private Investigator by trade.  At least, that's what he files on his tax returns.  He deals in justice.  The Police can't be trusted to right the wrongs anymore.  There's too many wrongs, for starters, and the police are too corrupt.  The spiders at the top of the criminal food chain have caught too many important people in their webs to ever be brought to justice by the established authorities.  That's where Biggs comes in.  Dixon works outside the system.  With all the bureaucracy, you can't just catch criminals and turn them in anymore; you've got to take care of them yourself.  

@Seraphine: There never really was "slavery" per say... but other than that I approve.

Quote from: Newb MSTie@Seraphine: There never really was "slavery" per say... but other than that I approve.

I thought you had said something about the Kobolds living in servitude to the dragons way back when.  I took that to mean that they were slaves.  If I misunderstood, then I will change that.

Changing up races and classes doesn't make the system new. It would be hard to not change it more than 3.0 to 3.5, though.

@Seraphine: Sorry, i forgot about that. My mind is too focused on my new comic at the moment.

I had thought that was just in reference to standard D&D kobolds.

So what's going on with this?  Are we going forward?  Are we stalled?

The others still need to make characters.