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Doctor Who Discussion (All Forms, Spin-Off Series Welcome)

Started by Ninja D!, April 06, 2010, 08:31:58 AM

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Ninja D!

Apparently the woman that played Sarah Jane Smith had cancer that she was keeping secret from the public...aand now she's dead. That sucks.

Ninja D!

New season starts this Saturday! It looks like they are targeting an American audience that they don't understand. Revolvers! Cowboy hats! Aliens! Government! Jamy dodgers and a fez!

Elemental_Elf

[size=36]I cannot WAIT for Saturday! It can't come soon enough!!!!!!    [/size]

Ninja D!

How do you feel about their push to expand their American audience?

This includes; They filmed a portion of this coming season in Utah. It is also, apparently, largely set in the US. Revolvers and plaid and cowboy hats. Airing episodes in the US on BBC America at the same time they air in th UK instead a multiple week delay.

The end result could be, as a BBC rep has said they want......DOCTOR WHO LEGOS AND A LEGO DOCTOR WHO VIDEO GAME! Lego told them they need a larger American audience first.

Elemental_Elf

I think its a nifty idea, Dr. Who has been very, very focused on Britain since the reboot, I think it will be a nice change of pace to see them focus on the a different country, even more so since its my country ^^

Honestly, Dr. Who doesn't visit America very often, I can really only think of two episodes where they've come here (both involving Daleks oddly enough).

To be honest, I love Dr. Who, especially this Dr. Who, so no matter where they go, I will be happy! :)

Ninja D!

Doctor Who isn't an American show. American shows rarely go to Britain. I'm fine with it if it doesn't become a regular thing and it isn't too obvious that they're doing to for an American audience. I'd also be fine if they never left Wales, as long as it's good.

The Christmas special told me that the Grand Moff understands that people really liked Matt Smith in The 11th Hour and that he will behave more like that...which I like. I watched that episode twice within a day of when it aired.

Elemental_Elf

Quote from: Ninja D!Doctor Who isn't an American show. American shows rarely go to Britain. I'm fine with it if it doesn't become a regular thing and it isn't too obvious that they're doing to for an American audience. I'd also be fine if they never left Wales, as long as it's good.

The Christmas special told me that the Grand Moff understands that people really liked Matt Smith in The 11th Hour and that he will behave more like that...which I like. I watched that episode twice within a day of when it aired.

He's a space & time traveling Alien, he can center his adventures any where he wants! Just because its set in America doesn't mean its going to become an American show. its still Dr. Who and its still quintessentially British. Like I said, I will watch the show regardless of where it goes.



Ninja D!

That's not what I mean. It's the style of tbe promotion for this season. It's clearly aimed at Americans.

Elemental_Elf

Oh I gotchya. Yeah the adverts are definitely targeting an American audience but that's a good thing. The more people get into the show, the better.  

I wonder if the ads are the same in the UK.

Ninja D!

The ones coming from the Doctor Who fan page on Facebook are that way, and that directs things at the native audience, most of the time. So I'd say it's safe to say "yes".

The hat didn't last long and the revolver was quickly, and meaninglessly, emptied. It was mostly for promo shots. Good.

The episode wasn't bad. It had some high points, though I had hoped for better after the wait. They focused too much on setting up a season-long arc that I'm not sure I will enjoy.

That underground room...wasn't that the same set from The Lodger, last season?

The Doctor is dead. Long live the Doctor!

Elemental_Elf

I disagree, I think this was an amazing episode, even better than 11th Hour, IMO. Sure there was a lot of focus on the season-arc because its going to factor in more prominently than Amy's crack (which was more of a mystery that slowly came to a point in the finale).

I really liked (though it made me feel very sad) was when River discussed how she believes it will be the death of her when finally she meets the doctor who never knew who she was.

The underground room is indeed from the Lodger, which I think is awesome (I love multi-season plot threads). While we're on the topic of multi-season plot points, I hope we see more from the Dream Lord. He was a very interesting character that wasn't given his full due. Additionally, I really hope they dive into River's character this season. I have so many questions that I want answered!

My biggest disappointment is that the episode ended quite suddenly and really felt like they should have treated us with a double feature. I'm all for cliff hangers but I've waited, what, 8 months(?) for the new season to start, I expected a bit more show. Also I really, really hate how BBC America chopped the show up, practically every five minutes there was a commercial break, and every other break contained those lame "Dr. Who insider" things, which I think are just terrible. I don't want commentary before I've even finished the first episode!

Ninja D!

While River was quite dramatic, even depressing, I think that statement was almost comedic. We've already seen when the Doctor first meets her and she does die, though not directly from it.

I hadn't considered that reusing that set may be part of a cross-season plot. That's a good point. I had figured it was just to save money. I like your idea better.

I'm not really a fan of River, myself. I really don't know how I feel about the Doctor having a companion that carries, and uses, a gun...and he's pretty much okay with that. I think that's wrong for the character. At least it's now pretty much cleared up that River is a romantic interest. Now that I think about it, River may have been the person in the space suit at the begining.

BBC shouldn't overdo advertisements. They need to pick between winning over a larger American audience or cashing in on the one they have. Doing both at once will probably fail. They should just air Doctor Who Confidential in the US, right after each new episode.

Ninja D!

I've thought through it a bit more and don't think that was River. While I believe that she does eventually kill the Doctor somehow, I think she gets caught and goes to prison for it.

Elemental_Elf

She dies on the inside the moment she sees the 10th doctor, it just takes to the conclusion of the episode for her body to die (that episode depresses me even more now that we've seen how cool River is!).

I always thought the Loger was a very weird episode, we never really saw who the aliens were and their ship just leaves once its fixed. These new aliens are stuck and can't leave, have the same style ships and use memory altering abilities - so the only conclusion I can draw is that they are one in the same... At least I hope so :)

I don't think River is a companion in the same sense than Amy and Rory are. She is a romantic interest, which I think gives her more leeway as to what she can do around the Doctor. Plus, the implied threat of the Doctor just dumping her off at home and ending their adventure together is meaningless because no matter what the doctor does, she will come back. It changes the dynamic quite substantially. Plus, she isn't the first "companion" to use a gun, Rose toted that cannon around towards the end of her arc.

Last season I emailed BBC America about the issue and they said the problem was that in Britain, they can air their shows for as long as they want (so you could have a 35 minute show and no one would bat an eye) but here in America everything works like clock work, you can only begin and end a show at the top and bottom of an hour (usually). Due to this the BBC tries to stretch or cut Dr. Who down to fit into an hour and some times that means it gets a lot of commercials. They had no response to the suggestion about making a fewer number of breaks but making each break longer (which leads me to believe they are getting good money on the ads).

I don't think the Astronaut was River, though it would be kind of funny given the outfit River and her friends were wearing in her first episode (i.e. Space Suits). I think the Astronaut might be the little girl, or even Nixon! :P

Ninja D!

If anything, the romantic interest bit should make River having a gun more of a problem.

Oh yeah, I'm sure we won't see the Dream Lord again (the dickless traitor! -- if you haven't seen Your Highness, do it now) but Moffat does love to explore the Doctor's darker side so I'm sure that we'll see more of that. Hopefully it just doesn't come in totally illogical form again, like Rory's speech in Vampires of Venice.

I'm still not a big fan of River. It's hard to pull off being a total badass and being aware of it without coming across as a prick. The Doctor does it but both River and Jack rub me the wrong way, though Jack was greatly improved in Torchwood.