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Xathan

#45
March 20, 2013, 07:47:40 PM Last Edit: March 20, 2013, 08:01:42 PM by Xathan
I could see for them a melee caster that could treat other units the same way Derro mutants treat themselves only with less options, some kind of ooze for their mid level tank (similar to ceremorph brain golems or dark elf war spiders), a unit with assassinate that instead of killing their target begins transforming their target into an icthoyid unit (dominate by assassination), an infiltrator that is hardly transformed that can serve as a spy/emmisary on dry land, and some über defensive unit with crazy regen while in water.

Quote from: Steerpike
Yeah, I figure they'd be a very unique faction to play.

Any ideas for Icthyoid units, apart from the usual infantry/ranged/spellcaster type units that almost every faction has?  They'll have Krakens as a high-tier unit, of course, but I'm not sure what else to give them.  Giant frogs feel a little banal.  I'm thinking maybe something akin to the Star-Spawn of Cthulhu...?

Giant frogs are kinda meh, I'd agree. If you were going to go with an amphibian animal, I'd go with a salamander. And a star spawn unit would be awesome, IMO. Not sure if it fits the icthyoids, but then again it would give them a much needed flying unit.
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#46
March 20, 2013, 08:15:33 PM Last Edit: March 20, 2013, 08:18:28 PM by Light Dragon
Icthyoid Unit Ideas:

Two-headed quill-maned crocodiles which get two attacks a round,

Poison dart spitting frogs with fearsome (Fear inducing) deep warbles (1 speed spend),

Sea Anemones (similar to Puffball explosion suicide units for the Glow except they deflate to only 1/2 health after they explode),

porcupine-like Pufferfish, who when hit deal damage to the unit hitting them if it is a melee unit and who can attach unobtrusive to a fleeing unit (if ordered before the battle) and either (pick one) 1. deal ongoing damage; or 2. act as spies in the enemy camp;

then the alien-like unit that impregnates your units with evil creatures that hatch 1d4 weeks later and kill them. (GM would need to keep track of the 'impregnated units' and the player would have no idea who was impregnated until it happens. (Some magic spells might be able to mitigate the risk).

HippopotamusDundee

#47
March 20, 2013, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: Xathan
Quote from: Steerpike
Yeah, I figure they'd be a very unique faction to play.

Any ideas for Icthyoid units, apart from the usual infantry/ranged/spellcaster type units that almost every faction has?  They'll have Krakens as a high-tier unit, of course, but I'm not sure what else to give them.  Giant frogs feel a little banal.  I'm thinking maybe something akin to the Star-Spawn of Cthulhu...?

Giant frogs are kinda meh, I'd agree. If you were going to go with an amphibian animal, I'd go with a salamander.

This was exactly what I first thought - give them something like the 7m or so long crocodile-salamander hybrids that used to be wandering around the planet back in the day :D

Rhamnousia

#48
March 20, 2013, 09:38:54 PM
I'd be really interested in seeing more about the vanilla Deep Gnomes, since they make for an intriguing possibility if/when the Watchers get knocked out of the game.

Dolmar

#49
March 21, 2013, 01:10:18 AM
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I'd be really interested in seeing more about the vanilla Deep Gnomes, since they make for an intriguing possibility if/when the Watchers get knocked out of the game.

Seconded, in part because I'd like to see another faction that isn't gonna be trying to kill me. ^_^

LD

#50
April 18, 2013, 01:12:50 AM
Idea: Magmadepths
[ic=Magmadepths]Home of the Jabberlings and the source of the rift-migrating devastator's lair, the Magmadepths are home to few creatures and they consist only of a few discontiguous regions that are connected by the rifts- 2 regions here, one region there, the Magmadepths do not present viable options for large empires.

The Magmadepths are inhabited by : Jabberlings, Deep Gnomes, Duregar, Magmids (a race of fire elemental-like creatures), FlameRoaches, and demonic creatures that are impervious to heat. Magmadepth regions have extremely hot magma pools, which give out negative effects at double the rate of regular magma pools. Magmids, Demons, and FlameRoaches do not suffer negative effects from magma. Magmadepths contain near liquid gold and metals and mines in those regions produce almost nothing, producing only a quarter of what the mines would produce in more geologically settled regions.[/ic]

As a way to expand the map by a few regions scattered here and there in the absolute lowest depths, introducing new opportunities and new challenges.

Steerpike

#51
April 18, 2013, 02:02:09 AM
Cool idea; I think the name "Netherdeep" might actually work slightly better with the prevailing order, but it's a good concept.

EDIT: As Llum can tell you, there are a few Magma/Fire creatures down in the magma-pool caverns where the Duergar hang out.

Xathan

#52
April 18, 2013, 05:06:11 AM
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Cool idea; I think the name "Netherdeep" might actually work slightly better with the prevailing order, but it's a good concept.

EDIT: As Llum can tell you, there are a few Magma/Fire creatures down in the magma-pool caverns where the Duergar hang out.

I'd love a Netherdeep type expansion, although I think it would be cool if some regions were instead filled with pools of acid (same effects as magma but different damage type), others filled with toxic gasses, some more watery regions, and maybe some more exotic hazardous terrain - an all magma netherdeep map expansion just seems kinda...dull.

It'd also be kinda cool if the Netherdeep wasn't a single, continuous region like the other parts of the Underdeep are; larger versions of M57, basically.

Any way you slice it, at this point what I'm looking forward to most in expansions are new map areas to explore/fight over. :)
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April 18, 2013, 08:52:37 AM
If you do expand to a Netherdeep (or anywhere else), I'm pretty sure I'll take a serious shot at this game again - something more invested than just anther Waaagh!
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April 18, 2013, 10:23:08 AM
Steerpike- good rename.


>>I'd love a Netherdeep type expansion, although I think it would be cool if some regions were instead filled with pools of acid (same effects as magma but different damage type), others filled with toxic gasses, some more watery regions, and maybe some more exotic hazardous terrain - an all magma netherdeep map expansion just seems kinda...dull.

Neat idea Xathan, though I don't think watery regions would really suit due to the depths- there are very few watery regions in the Lowerdeep currently. Your idea of acid and toxic gases is great. (Still, it's all up to Steerpike)

Regions that have a variety of characteristics widen the types of monsters that can be encountered as well: Acid-based creatures, anaerobic bacteria like Gelatinous Cubes.

Other race idea: Calcites- giant "fire" ants, termites, and beetles who build their structures with excreted calcium. Their buildings look like termite mound stalagmites. The termites can undermine wooden fortifications and are good tunnelers, the beetles are main battle tanks, and the ants are ranged fire-dispensers. Other units could spit acid.

>>It'd also be kinda cool if the Netherdeep wasn't a single, continuous region like the other parts of the Underdeep are; larger versions of M57, basically.
Thanks; that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know if I explained it as well as you explain it in this sentence though :).

Xathan

#55
April 18, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Light Dragon
Steerpike- good rename.


>>I'd love a Netherdeep type expansion, although I think it would be cool if some regions were instead filled with pools of acid (same effects as magma but different damage type), others filled with toxic gasses, some more watery regions, and maybe some more exotic hazardous terrain - an all magma netherdeep map expansion just seems kinda...dull.

Neat idea Xathan, though I don't think watery regions would really suit due to the depths- there are very few watery regions in the Lowerdeep currently. Your idea of acid and toxic gases is great. (Still, it's all up to Steerpike)

My thoughts for water are big, stagnant underground pools filled with brackish water that's scalding hot or teeming with disease. :P

QuoteRegions that have a variety of characteristics widen the types of monsters that can be encountered as well: Acid-based creatures, anaerobic bacteria like Gelatinous Cubes.

Exactly! It also means you can't just pump whatever your strongest-vs-fire unit it and be good going in there.

QuoteOther race idea: Calcites- giant "fire" ants, termites, and beetles who build their structures with excreted calcium. Their buildings look like termite mound stalagmites. The termites can undermine wooden fortifications and are good tunnelers, the beetles are main battle tanks, and the ants are ranged fire-dispensers. Other units could spit acid.

While that's cool, I think the Netherdeep shouldn't be too much new faction/units and more new terrain/monsters. Maybe if there's a new NPC faction or two, but I feel it should drawn mostly from the existing ones with maybe a few new units added...just so Steerpike doesn't have to drive himself crazy(er).

Quote>>It'd also be kinda cool if the Netherdeep wasn't a single, continuous region like the other parts of the Underdeep are; larger versions of M57, basically.
Thanks; that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know if I explained it as well as you explain it in this sentence though :).

Thanks! Good to know 4 years of getting an English degree paid off!

Also, to make the Netherdeep more interesting as a point of conflict, there could be tunnels that connect down from the middle/upperdeep and bypass intervening levels - they'd be easily labeled on the map with two down arrows. :P
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sparkletwist

#56
April 18, 2013, 07:41:08 PM
Those chasms in the Lowerdeep could also lead down there.
(Hey, they should go somewhere!)

LD

#57
April 18, 2013, 08:20:03 PM
The chasms were what gave me the idea, actually. :) ..."Home of the Jabberlings", so I concur.
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