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Started by Xathan, March 29, 2006, 06:43:30 PM

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Ishmayl-Retired

#15
March 30, 2006, 08:25:22 PM
I third brainface!  And second Nat 20!  I think different mixes rock.  Maybe even have settlements of some non-core D&D races that have good role-playing options:  githyanki; centaurs; sahaguin; formians; minotaurs; and troglodytes are all neat and fun choices.
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#16
March 30, 2006, 08:26:04 PM
BTW, I meant my previous statement to say that those races would have settlements within the BTG, meaning they get along with other cities, and are not just settlements set up for PC-raiding.
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#17
April 02, 2006, 12:29:38 PM
im not sure i understand.

are they a part of the BFG, or just happen to have a city w/i the BFG's borders?

i think you need to keep races in their enviroments.
like, i dont think you should find a tribe of sahaguin on a mountain, or in a desert.

maybe a good way to work out the empire's races, is to develop 8 CS, then unify them.
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#18
April 02, 2006, 12:38:59 PM
i fourth (or whatever) brainface. the two campaign setting within the one worl sounds like a wicked idea.
i also like nat 20's idea of lots of mixed settlements.
the small states just got overpowered by the BTG but there are little settlements left.
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#19
June 02, 2007, 07:45:00 PM
So, shall we agree on this? It's kind of integral before we start making our own states, no?

Poseptune

#20
June 02, 2007, 08:11:38 PM
I thought it kinda was.

The empire is made up mostly the core races.

The core races (including a few monsterous) also make up the rest of the world. What makes them different is their culture.
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#21
June 02, 2007, 08:27:49 PM
Mrm. I was guessing the Empire was mainly human? That's kinda stereotypical, I know, but...

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#22
June 02, 2007, 08:38:59 PM
They have been conquering some of the other races for years now. What ever race they started with has now been diluted by the conquering of other regions :)
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#23
June 03, 2007, 09:10:02 AM
So, if we assume that all of the core races are at least present, how do we deal with them? Do we just copy-paste their Player's Handbook entries? Will they be completely redesigned and only share their names with the established stereotypes? Or something in-between? If so, what exactly does that mean?

Two somewhat more radical options are:
- a human-only setting (at least in terms of playable races, I assume we want to keep the possiblity of non-human monsters)
- all-new races (probably including humans, but all other races designed from scratch)

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#24
June 03, 2007, 09:38:02 AM
Quote from: TúrinTwo somewhat more radical options are:
- a human-only setting (at least in terms of playable races, I assume we want to keep the possiblity of non-human monsters)
- all-new races (probably including humans, but all other races designed from scratch)

Túrin

I am okay with whatever the group decides, but I like the all human setting for playable races. This will probably not be the popular choice but I wanted to put it on record. While it makes for fewer options I think it can build a more cohesive history for the regions. If we introduce elves, dwarves etc then we will have to build histories for all of them too.

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Ishmayl-Retired

#25
June 03, 2007, 10:06:13 AM
The thing about the all-human setting is, you have got to work extra, extra hard to differentiate the different human cultures from one another.  It's certainly doable, and I would be willing to participate... I'm kinda fond of all-human worlds and settings.

Another option that Turin didn't mention is, we could take the standard races, and keep their general personalities the same (for the sake of ease), but give them different roles and relationships with one another in the world.  There's no need for elves and dwarves to dislike each other, and there's no need for gnomes to be mischievous tricksters and pranksters (unless that's what we want!).  We could turn them upside down, but still keep them familiar enough that we don't have to give them new names (meaning, we don't have to complete rewrite the PHB).
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#26
June 03, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
Ech, I DESPISE gnomes and halflings as they are. And elves. But I see your point. I would much rather have an all-human setting (perhaps with a couple of playable monster races), however, I have a particular liking of them.

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#27
June 03, 2007, 12:05:08 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to an all-human setting. I'd like to hear those who are speak up.
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Poseptune

#28
June 03, 2007, 12:31:51 PM
I oppose an all human setting.

Having other races and even some monsterous races allows a lot of diversty when making the regions. The core races don't have to be sterotypical, there are many regions and the Empire is big. That leads many different cultures. For Example: Leftbonia is a nation of territorial dwarves, that do not allow anyone inside their borders. While Rightbonia is a nation of dwarves that are shipbuilders and are known for their prowess on the high seas.
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#29
June 03, 2007, 12:51:22 PM
The problem with elves, dwarves, etc, is they rapidly become just humans with a different appearance and some different stats. Their personalities are just aspects of humanity - the elf is the educated hippy, the dwarf the vertically challenged celtic man with an axe, the gnome the irritating child who stays in his house all day long and plays with chemistry kits to play pranks on the other kids, and the halfling is the equally annoying happy-go-lucky wannabe-gypsy child. And orcs? Don't get me started. It doesn't really tend to matter whether they're stereotyped or not, you REALLY HAVE TO WORK to make them seem at all, well, nonhuman.
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