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Started by Túrin, April 04, 2006, 08:53:46 AM

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What will be the tone statement for this setting?

Dark / Gritty
7 (58.3%)
Other
0 (0%)
None
5 (41.7%)

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Túrin

April 04, 2006, 08:53:46 AM Last Edit: April 11, 2006, 12:01:11 PM by nastynate
In this vote we will decide whether the setting will be pervaded by a common tone. The only idea that was suggested in this regard that garnered some support was Dark / Gritty. Hence this poll offers three options:
a) Dark / Gritty
b) Other
c) None

@a: fairly self-explanatory at first glance. If this is chosen there will probably more discussion on how this is implemented exactly.

@b: If this is chosen a new Discussion: Tone thread will be opened to discuss what the tone of the setting will be. This option is also for those who want the setting to have a region-specific (but pre-defined) tone statement.

@c: This means there will be no general tone statement for the setting. We will leave it up to the individual DM.

As always, discussion is for other threads, though you can post here to give a motivation for your vote.

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Soup Nazi

#1
April 04, 2006, 09:07:27 AM
Dark and gritty seems much more befitting an oppressive empire and moral ambiguity, as well as struggling city-states fighting for their survival in wild barbaric lands. I'm a dark and gritty person myself however, so perhaps my view is a bit tainted.

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Xeviat

#2
April 04, 2006, 09:54:35 AM
I voted for "dark and gritty", but I'd like to clarrify. I think "harsh" is a better word for what I'd like to see (and I do think that WP/VP needs to be tossed into the rules assortment to help things be a litle more harsh).
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#3
April 04, 2006, 10:34:45 AM
i gotta vote against 'dark and gritty'. i get enough dark in the news. 'harsh' i could deal with, sure. (though i see no reason to add in different mechanics for harshness).

my preference though, really, is to just let each dm do whatever--which i suspect is what will happen anyway :)
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daggerhart

#4
April 04, 2006, 10:38:19 AM
i've got to agree with brainface,  the tone is really the DMs call.

even if we 'set' the tone officially here, that really doesnt mean anything to individual DMs.

I think a general tone may help us when writing flavortext fro the world,  but I dont think we can decide what type of game a DM runs.
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#5
April 04, 2006, 04:00:38 PM
I voted none, for the reasons already stated.  I personally will deisregard any tone implemented in favor of my standard "high fantasy" style.  I would hate to have to rework the setting just to play it in a different manner.  So yeah, leave it up to the individual DM.
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#6
April 04, 2006, 06:43:15 PM
I went ahead and voted "None," as I think it should just be the DM's call.  I mean, if I run it, I will probably run it pretty "dark and gritty," but I don't think should be limiting ourselves to that if other people want to run a "bright and bunny-hugging" campaign.
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#7
April 04, 2006, 07:30:18 PM
I voted Dark n Gritty, but the others convinced me - I'd like to unoffically change my vote to None.
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#8
April 05, 2006, 12:40:12 PM
I like to vote 'Dark and Gritty" because if we didn't have any tone to set our campaign on, we'd have a major variation in the way that DMs play, and to me -when we're creating a COMMUNITY project- it should be closely tied to everyone. Just my thoughts.
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Calcine its clods and set my prisoners free."
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brainface

#9
April 06, 2006, 12:31:34 AM
Quotewhen we're creating a COMMUNITY project
well, as a community setting, it should also be as inclusive as possible, without sacrificing too much cohesion ;)
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Túrin

#10
April 06, 2006, 03:10:34 PM
So the current score is (I'm officially changing Xathan's vote here) 6-5. It can still go either way, so I encourage anyone who hasn't voted to do so. I'll close this vote Tuesday evening (which means Tuesday morning for the Americans among us).
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"Then shall the last battle be gathered on the fields of Valinor. In that day Tulkas shall strive with Melko, and on his right shall stand Fionwe and on his left Turin Turambar, son of Hurin, Conqueror of Fate; and it shall be the black sword of Turin that deals unto Melko his death and final end; and so shall the Children of Hurin and all men be avenged." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Shaping of Middle-Earth

Ishmayl-Retired

#11
April 06, 2006, 05:46:41 PM
Hmmm, I gotta be honest, the more I think about it, the more I think this particular poll/vote/discussion is not really necessary - and may even be harmful.  I think we could seriously be limiting ourselves by settling on one particular tone.  Any DM should be able to play any way they like.  Maybe certain aspects of the campaign will be dark and gritty (the racism between different city-states and the terrible, ardous journies through the Barrns), but labling the entire campaign thus, I think, is going to run off potential players, as well as potential participants in its creation....
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Túrin

#12
April 11, 2006, 12:00:26 PM
I don't think I can actually close a poll, but I'm officially ending this vote now. Note that Xathan changed his vote along the way, which means we ended up with a tie (Dark/Gritty 6, Other 0, None 6).

This thread is now open to further discussion of this topic.

To kick of the discussion, I'll offer my interpretation of the voting result: the world will be written in a dark/gritty way. That is, the dark/gritty thing will be used to create uniformity in style when writing up the end result of Cebegia, but will not have a (major) influence on the setting itself.

Túrin
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"Then shall the last battle be gathered on the fields of Valinor. In that day Tulkas shall strive with Melko, and on his right shall stand Fionwe and on his left Turin Turambar, son of Hurin, Conqueror of Fate; and it shall be the black sword of Turin that deals unto Melko his death and final end; and so shall the Children of Hurin and all men be avenged." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Shaping of Middle-Earth

Wix of Bel-Air

#13
April 11, 2006, 11:03:42 PM
So no entrail-dragging zombie babies for creatures?
Eats brains here! Ugh!
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
[spoiler=Cthulhu]"To obtain a deep, restful, and fulfilling sleep, you must first submerge yourself in your cyclopean city of hideous non-Euclidean geometries beneath the sea, and then let your body die. But don't worry! As long as you continue to emanate enough evil thought-energy to influence and control your many worshippers throughout the untold eons, they will resurrect you when the time comes. I guarantee it!" [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Wash]
Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive."

(as Stegosaurus) "We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land'."

(as T-Rex) "I think we should call it...your grave!"

(Stegosaurus) "Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

(T-Rex) "Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh...now die!"
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Stanza 11]
No! penury, inertness and grimace,
In some strange sort, were the land's portion. "See
Or shut your eyes," said Nature peevishly,
"It nothing skills: I cannot help my case:
'Tis the Last Judgment's fire must cure this place,
Calcine its clods and set my prisoners free."
[/spoiler]

brainface

#14
April 12, 2006, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: TúrinTo kick of the discussion, I'll offer my interpretation of the voting result: the world will be written in a dark/gritty way. That is, the dark/gritty thing will be used to create uniformity in style when writing up the end result of Cebegia, but will not have a (major) influence on the setting itself.

Túrin

that statement doesn't make sense to me. wont the writing of the setting pretty much define the setting, in its entirety? :/ Could you clarify this?

Here's my enterpretation: there can be strong elements of both darkness and grit in cebegia, but they wont necessarilly be universal. kids will, on occasion, eat ice cream. but there can also be entrail dragging zombies--maybe not entrail dragging zombie babies :(. unless the zombie babies are also eating ice cream.
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