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Started by Polycarp, November 02, 2007, 08:51:52 PM

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Jharviss

#15
November 03, 2007, 05:17:11 PM
I think it stems more from ideological and moral beliefs.  The League of Free Captains are just that -- free men who enjoy their freedom and the sea.  Inveran is much more imperious, which I could easily see rubbing the Free Captains the wrong way.

Of course, are they Free Captains or Free Paying-Tribute-to-Celend Captains?

Wensleydale

#16
November 03, 2007, 05:36:37 PM
Quote from: Stargate525I was never quite certain how this bad blood between the captains and Inveran started. To be honest, we should be fast friends and allies. Especially now that we're both pawns of Celend.

Heck, the only reason we betrayed you was a mix between paranoia and shame at being 'dishonoured' by refusal of the Machta's gift.

Stargate525

#17
November 03, 2007, 05:40:35 PM
And I still say that's not really a good enough reason to betray us...
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AllWillFall2Me

#18
November 03, 2007, 07:00:16 PM
We don't have bad blood. The Captains actually didn't want you dead. What it was, was your conflict with Otavhy was pitting an ally of the Captains against an ally of the Captains, one with slightly greater ties (My holding in that area is almost a duchy of Otahvy). When offered by another ally, The Machta, the chance to strike you, it was the Captains ruling the "Greater good". Two allies pleased, and one hamstringed, unlikely to do anything like this again, versus one dead, one pleased.
My state is my popular vote amongst the leaders. There were some who opposed the decision.

jharviss does point another"strike" against your leader.

My people are entirely willing to forget that even happened. And we agree about the servants of Celend.
To save myself time, I will never say IMO. Unless I say in fact before something, that means it's my opinion.

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Stargate525

#19
November 03, 2007, 07:18:35 PM
Okay, something I will be bringing up is a combined effort against the Auri. They've been crashing our party long enough, and by the sounds of things, they seem very, very rich.

Plenty of land and goods to go around, no?
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Atlantis

#20
November 03, 2007, 07:29:30 PM
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Stargate525

#21
November 03, 2007, 08:00:29 PM
I know; that's what gave me the idea. But at the council, the leaders of the entire world will be there, which will be a perfect time to plan.
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Atlantis

#22
November 03, 2007, 08:08:33 PM
indeed
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lives a brave little hobbit whom we all admire.
With his long wooden pipe,
fuzzy, woolly toes,
he lives in a hobbit-hole and everybody knows him

Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
He's only three feet tall
Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
The bravest little hobbit of them all

Now hobbits are a peace-lovin' folks you know
They don't like to hurry and they take things slow
They don't like to travel away from home
They just want to eat and be left alone
But one day Bilbo was asked to go
on a big adventure to the caves below,
to help some dwarves get back their gold
that was stolen by a dragon in the days of old.

Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
He's only three feet tall
Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
The bravest little hobbit of them all

Well he fought with the goblins!
He battled a troll!!
He riddled with Gollum!!!
A magic ring he stole!!!!
He was chased by wolves!!!!!
Lost in the forest!!!!!!
Escaped in a barrel from the elf-king's halls!!!!!!!

Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
The bravest little hobbit of them all

Now he's back in his hole in the land of the Shire,
that brave little hobbit whom we all admire,
just a-sittin' on a treasure of silver and gold
a-puffin' on his pipe in his hobbit-hole.

Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
He's only three feet tall
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The bravest little hobbit of them all
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Stargate525

#23
November 03, 2007, 09:12:47 PM
Hey Mith, how many of the NPC nations are coming, and are the Auri going to attend?
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Polycarp

#24
November 03, 2007, 09:23:57 PM
Celend is obviously coming, and probably Yaffa too.  It's unlikely that states with no stake in the middle sea are going to bother, and it's uncertain if Celend would even let them interfere.  Certainly the Auri have nothing to gain from attendance.
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Jharviss

#25
November 04, 2007, 01:41:24 AM
I've been wondering what will happen concerning the Auri, and I also look forward to actual meeting Celend.  I have had no contact with them -- which many would argue is a blessing.  Nonetheless, I know that I am indebted to the League and will probably do whatever is necessary to help them.

My forces are going to be spread really thin this round...  Oh well!

Stargate525

#26
November 04, 2007, 08:26:07 AM
This may be a little late, but why in God's name did the Mandrians rebel in the first place?
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Polycarp

#27
November 04, 2007, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: Stargate525This may be a little late, but why in God's name did the Mandrians rebel in the first place?

This was actually planned before I even knew about the betrayals.  The Mandrian leadership was very against your planned attack against Otahvy, and it was decided that they would attempt to seize control of the capital as soon as Aristo left.  Mavda and the higher leaders surmised that the escalating tensions between you and Otahvy would eventually endanger the Mandrian population in Inveran.  They knew well about Otahvy's execution of Invernessi and worried that you might do the same to them, especially given your demands on Otahvy for Mandrian slave labor.  If you were unable to get this labor from Otahvy, would you get it from Mandrians already in your land?  Mavda wasn't sure but he didn't want to find out either.

Had Aristo successfully defeated Otahvy and still had his fleet intact, Inveran would have easily been recaptured, though Mavda would have tried to get other powers to back him up.  At the very least, Mavda hoped that he would be able to get the League to provide his people sanctuary, just like the League gave a few Invernessi sanctuary in Maducreon when Otahvy started executing the Inveran delegation.  The rebellion would have been a fairly minor occurrence had it not coincided with the surprise upset victory at the Battle of Four Fleets; it might not even have succeeded at all, since it was largely through the total destruction of Inveran's military and the highly demoralized state of its population that Mavda was able to so neatly seize power.
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Jharviss

#28
November 04, 2007, 01:51:00 PM
Wouldn't it have been grand if Otahvy had been completely destroyed and then I start playing Mandrian Inveran, and then Inveran would have to fight me all over again?  Ahh, that would've had a great deal of irony written all over it.

Stargate525

#29
November 04, 2007, 02:03:37 PM
You know, just occasionally, it would be great to be able to figure out the general disposition of my own people before a, doing something completely against their wishes, and b, going into the 25 year turn.
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