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True, but if Inveran arrests and executes a free captain, Otahvy will, due to moral obligation, have to crush the rest of Inveran (and, I believe, Otahvy will be helped by the Mandrians off-shore and any Free Captains that come to Otahvy's assitance).

But the League will be at war with Celend.

And Celend will be destroyed by the League, Otahvy, Machta-in, and Andos (who will all come to help).  

And all three will then be weakened.

And Ar-Auriban will win crush us all.

But, somehow, Nargaq will win.

QuoteIf I'm lucky, the Archon will draw steel against someone and kill him...

The Grand Archon, like all the Archons, is a eunuch, and Orman is almost 60 years old.  He is personally unlikely to be stabbing anybody at the conference.  The Agah, sure, he might run you through good and proper - but the Archons, literally and figuratively, don't have the balls. 8)

Thanks for the thoughts, Jharviss.
Mith, I knew there was a reason I disliked them.
Star, who says I would stab them? That's just asking for trouble.

I think I should have an award for 'Most easily insulted and probably slightly mad ruler'.

But yes. The Machta's planning to goad the Archon too...

Quote from: JharvissTrue, but if Inveran arrests and executes a free captain, Otahvy will, due to moral obligation, have to crush the rest of Inveran (and, I believe, Otahvy will be helped by the Mandrians off-shore and any Free Captains that come to Otahvy's assitance).

Which is totally insane, as I Warned you people of the consequences, and took it of your own free will.

course, when has that ever stopped anyone from punishing someone for something that was their fault?

Celend's getting on a lot of peoples' backs. The Free Captains don't like them because they're vassals, the Machta doesn't like them because they stopped his bid for the Inverness, it's unlikely that the Mandrians will like them once they meet the Archon personally, and even Inveran's beginning to get annoyed with them.

I smell Celend's downfall... :P

Okay, first Celend, then the Auri...

I find it a bit frightening that the player nations are developing a hit list.

hey everyone, i will be back on tuesday and reply to people and what not. (life takes up so much time >.<)

My only concern about facing off against Celend is those "meaningless" numbers Mith handed out earlier.
As I recall, Celend had more that double anyone's, including Nargaq.
Now, that may be partly because of my vassal status, but even taking me out of the picture still leaves them highest.
It's gonna take a lot of power to bring them down.



Did the Despotissa's captains ever say anything about attending?

Maybe I should be Most Machiavellian instead of most untrustworthy.

Quote from: AllWillFall2MeMy only concern about facing off against Celend is those "meaningless" numbers Mith handed out earlier.
As I recall, Celend had more that double anyone's, including Nargaq.
Now, that may be partly because of my vassal status, but even taking me out of the picture still leaves them highest.
It's gonna take a lot of power to bring them down.

Of course, if we split them in two, then each side is half as strong, and warring with itself besides.

*nods*

But how would we do that? :P

The "meaningless numbers" were meaningless in that they do not precisely reflect power - for instance, swordsmen impact the scores just as much as bladesmen do, even though in most situations swordsmen are probably superior.  They also don't reflect things like organization and morale - or for that matter, leadership.

That said, while the specific numbers themselves are meaningless, the overall statement is more or less correct; Celend has a lot of troops (you don't need a spy to know that).  Those numbers don't reflect vassals, either, only the state itself.

No, the Despotissa has made no comment as to the conference.  Presumably they received Inveran's invitation.

Quote from: WensleydaleBut how would we do that? :P

Oh, I can think of more than a couple of ways...

Create a schism in their religion; since its a theocracy, the walls will come tumbling down.

Get their economy to rely more and more on us, then pull our support. Massive economic depression is always fun.

Assassinate the Archon (not at the peace conference!) and blame it on Kuregn. Not a civil war, but two bigass countries dueling to the death, and we clean up the survivor.


On another note, I think we may need a 'half-update' this time, to get the whole Inveran capital thing sorted out, and lead into the peace talks.

In international diplomacy, especially during this time period, it doesn't matter what laws were put down.  If an ally of mine is struck, and he did something that was reasonable, it would be logical for me to strike back.

The "laws" of the council of peace mean nothing if they mean the death of an ally.

By the way, what happened to Kuregn?  Why don't we just randomly target them?

And for what God-awful reason did we decide that Celend is a more dangerous threat than the Ar-Auriban?  The Auriban have been growing and destroying for decades, and we just keep ignoring them.  Maybe we're all just stupid water-borne nations.

Quote from: JharvissIn international diplomacy, especially during this time period, it doesn't matter what laws were put down.  If an ally of mine is struck, and he did something that was reasonable, it would be logical for me to strike back.

The "laws" of the council of peace mean nothing if they mean the death of an ally.

By the way, what happened to Kuregn?  Why don't we just randomly target them?

And for what God-awful reason did we decide that Celend is a more dangerous threat than the Ar-Auriban?  The Auriban have been growing and destroying for decades, and we just keep ignoring them.  Maybe we're all just stupid water-borne nations.

We don't like Celend because they're a bunch of pnasies who send their vassals to do their own work.

Kuregn, with a youngling on the throne, is not a half bad idea.

And as for the Auri, we're smart water-borne nations, and realize that since they don't have a navy, they can't get to us, and that it would be much better to simply wait for them to collapse under their own weight.