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Epic ToB:Nine Swords

Started by Higgs Boson, January 26, 2008, 01:35:11 PM

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Higgs Boson

January 26, 2008, 01:35:11 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Higgs Boson
Because of the ToB's likeness to spellcasting, there should be epic maneuvers, with seeds based on different schools, like in the Epic Level Handbook For those of you who don't know, Tome of Battle: Nine Swords is a melee fix that presents three base classes who gain martial maneuvers as they level. These maneuvers are like a wizard's spells. Anywho, I propose we develop those epic maneiver seeds and creation in this thread. Maybe instead of being cast based on your spellcraft skill, it could be based on the main skill of the discipline, such as Jump for Tiger Claw or Tumble for Desert Flame. And maybe a seed for the White Raven discipline would go something like this: Seed: Aid. Effect: Give a +_ morale boost on _ of these: WIll saves, Fortitude saves, Reflex Saves, Fear saves, or Attack rolls; to your allies within 8 times _ feet. THis effect lasts for _*5 rounds, where _ is how much you beat the DC by.
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[spoiler=Quotes]Why are my epic characters more powerful than the archfiends from the Book of Vile Darkness, the archangels from the Book of Exalted Deeds, and the Elder Evils from Champions of Ruin?

If you're playing epic, pause for a moment to laugh at WotC's farcical cosmic entity stats and move on. They aren't there to be taken seriously. Trust me. They aren't even suitable for use as avatars. -WotC Epic Boards, Epic FAQ

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the_taken

#1
January 28, 2008, 03:23:35 PM
I completely disagree with the sentiment that there should be maneuvers based appon a seeding system akin to epic level spellcasting presented in ELH. There are literally thousands of threads and discussions on the balance issues of that system all over the internetz that have all ended in either bannings, purges, epic level deletions, mass suicide, or sensible people coming to the conclusion that epic is best played within three paragraphs that can be summed with "The End".

I've forgotten the citation, but 4chan removed it's RPG section due to Epic Failure Handbook, Book of Vile Body Piercings, and BoEF.

If you want to keep the game going longer, may I suggest arbitrary level loss?
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Higgs Boson

#2
January 28, 2008, 07:26:06 PM
I think it would be completely reasonable, especially compared to the madly overpowered system that is spellcasting.
[spoiler=CLICK MEEEEE] My setting(s):
[spoiler=Quotes]Why are my epic characters more powerful than the archfiends from the Book of Vile Darkness, the archangels from the Book of Exalted Deeds, and the Elder Evils from Champions of Ruin?

If you're playing epic, pause for a moment to laugh at WotC's farcical cosmic entity stats and move on. They aren't there to be taken seriously. Trust me. They aren't even suitable for use as avatars. -WotC Epic Boards, Epic FAQ

Nobody can tell... hell we can't even tell if he actually exists -Nomadic, talking about me.
[/spoiler]

My Site

[spoiler=Oh Noes!] [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Various Awards][/spoiler]
[spoiler=For those who don't know...]...my name is the current name physicists have for the "god" particle that created mass by creating a field that forces other matter to move through (from what I understand). [/spoiler]
From the Office:
Interviewer: "Describe yourself in three words."
Dwight: "Fearless, Alphamale, Jackhammer...... MERCILESS!"
[/spoiler]

the_taken

#3
January 28, 2008, 09:40:59 PM
Overpowered is an understatement. Every character with Epic Spell is wielding the same arbitrarium stick as the DM, and you might as well just forgo the math, leave the books on the shelf and just play Magical Tea Party.
Epic Level, as defined in ELH is unreasonable, and Epic Maneuver would be have to be just as unreasonable to be balanced.

Not to dissuade you from from creating adventures of epic heroism, just informing you that the game as designed now doesn't actually work at that level the way it was intended.

Higgs Boson

#4
January 28, 2008, 10:24:28 PM
I realize that the entire ELH is broken. I do enjoy creating overly powerful abilities of awesome coolness. Maybe I shall keep it to myself, to dissuade others from creating, say, and overbalancing of another branch of classes to furhter break Epic levels.
[spoiler=CLICK MEEEEE] My setting(s):
[spoiler=Quotes]Why are my epic characters more powerful than the archfiends from the Book of Vile Darkness, the archangels from the Book of Exalted Deeds, and the Elder Evils from Champions of Ruin?

If you're playing epic, pause for a moment to laugh at WotC's farcical cosmic entity stats and move on. They aren't there to be taken seriously. Trust me. They aren't even suitable for use as avatars. -WotC Epic Boards, Epic FAQ

Nobody can tell... hell we can't even tell if he actually exists -Nomadic, talking about me.
[/spoiler]

My Site

[spoiler=Oh Noes!] [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Various Awards][/spoiler]
[spoiler=For those who don't know...]...my name is the current name physicists have for the "god" particle that created mass by creating a field that forces other matter to move through (from what I understand). [/spoiler]
From the Office:
Interviewer: "Describe yourself in three words."
Dwight: "Fearless, Alphamale, Jackhammer...... MERCILESS!"
[/spoiler]
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