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Started by Elemental_Elf, March 22, 2009, 03:36:14 AM

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Elemental_Elf

Quote from: Ra-Tiel
Quote from: brainfaceChanging the target of an epic spell is just a dc increase (there's a table for it hereish: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/developingEpicSpells.htm --offhand it's like plus dc 10 or so). Changing the weight limit is an ad-hoc dc increase. I'm gonna go ahead and let someone else do that math on that. [...]
Changing the target from touch to target is a +4 increase, and from target to area is another +10 increase. Making the area a 20ft radius sphere is a +2 increase, with each increase by 100% adding another +4. So, to increase the radius to even 1000ft the total DC would be around 27 (base) + 4 (target) + 10 (area) + 2 (20ft) + 196 (+980ft) = 239 (final). But the range was definitively larger than 1000ft. And we didn't even look at the cast time reduction from 1 minute to standard action (which would add another +20 to the DC).

Further, the weight limit increase is not an ad-hoc modifier as it is pretty clearly laid out in the transport seed's description (+2 for each 50lb past the default 1000lb). Therefore, the final DC of the Epic Teleport spell would very likely be in the high hundreds, if not even in the thousands.

Thank you for doing the math :)

Wow, a DC in the thousands... That's... Massive.

I think our best bet is to say 'since the Necromancer had a game breaking spell (famlicide) we can assume the other two splices also have (at least 1) game breaking spell.' It's likely the Conjurer's is this Epic Teleport. How else would he be well known for the ability to teleport whole armies?


Elemental_Elf

Quote from: Elemental_ElfI'd just like to note that in light of comic 643 and comic 647, V made the correct choice in selling his soul. The Fiends lied to V about Durkon being with the Azurite fleet because as evidenced in the 2 aforementioned comics, Durkon had already been gone for days.

If V had used their plan, the outcome would have ended with V dead and his family gone for ever. No matter what V did afterwards, he made the correct choice.

Just to emphasize my point (because I had the time) here's a more in depth argument:

I'm fairly sure we can say the Fiend's 'plan' is anything except truthful. Only 19 minutes have passed since V acquired his powers. The Spell Durkon and Elan used to get to Greysky City is called 'Wind Walk' which allows for a maximum movement speed of 600 feet per round, or 60 miles per hour. We can safely assume Greysky City (being in the Northern lands) was more than 20 miles away from the Fleet (i.e. more than the maximum amount of area that can be covered in 19 minutes (hell, V probably spent a good amount of time IN Greysky City, so the area covered would be even less).

Further, we can cite comic 643, second page, 5th panel. Daigo specifically says "We haven't seen [Durkon & Elan] in days."

Thus we can safely presume the Fiends were lieing.


Nomadic

Heh like I said, redcloak is the brains and xykon is the muscle. Bones would already be dead if he hadn't listened to his green eared sidekick. RC should count his lucky stars that he did listen for a change.

Currently looks like a standard duel to me but again that final panel makes me think things aren't going to end in standard duel style.

My goodness I am getting anxious to see the conclusion to the V epic power arc. It's really quite awesome.

Elemental_Elf

Quote from: NomadicHeh like I said, redcloak is the brains and xykon is the muscle. Bones would already be dead if he hadn't listened to his green eared sidekick. RC should count his lucky stars that he did listen for a change.

Currently looks like a standard duel to me but again that final panel makes me think things aren't going to end in standard duel style.

My goodness I am getting anxious to see the conclusion to the V epic power arc. It's really quite awesome.

V is screwed. He's lost his epic spellcasting. V has two options - get the hell out of dodge or spam disintegrate until Xykon turns to dust.

Of course, I find it odd how powerful Xykon is. Maybe this is just his game face but I suspect a devious hand (or 3)in his knowledge of the Soul Splice and his sudden power increase.

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Quote from: Elemental_ElfOf course, I find it odd how powerful Xykon is. Maybe this is just his game face but I suspect a devious hand (or 3)in his knowledge of the Soul Splice and his sudden power increase.

I don't think we've ever seen his game face, and I don't think this is it, either. I think he simply knows, from experience, that the whole power gain thing doesn't have to end, so the souls willingly let it end. At least in his eyes, that makes them chumps next to him. Add that they're already weak, and this really isn't much of a power increase, just something V (and the readers, presumably) didn't think about.
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Somehow I get the feeling that yet another "partymember needs resurrection" plot is comming up. ^^

But what really surprised me:
[spoiler]Xykon wasn't even scorched by the empowered sunburst. No marks or bruises of any sort, which I find a bit confusing considering the spell dealt at least 17d6*1.5 (or ~89 on average) points of damage to the lich (Ref save half). Either this is an oversight on Rich's part, or Xykon seriously worked on his hitpoints or somehow got an impressive amount of regeneration. :huh:[/spoiler]

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[spoiler]Actually, Red Cloak and the hobgoblin don't show any marks either, even after being hit by V's Chain Lightning. :?:[/spoiler][/Edit]

Elemental_Elf

Quote from: Ra-TielSomehow I get the feeling that yet another "partymember needs resurrection" plot is comming up. ^^

But what really surprised me:
[spoiler]Xykon wasn't even scorched by the empowered sunburst. No marks or bruises of any sort, which I find a bit confusing considering the spell dealt at least 17d6*1.5 (or ~89 on average) points of damage to the lich (Ref save half). Either this is an oversight on Rich's part, or Xykon seriously worked on his hitpoints or somehow got an impressive amount of regeneration. :huh:[/spoiler]

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[spoiler]Actually, Red Cloak and the hobgoblin don't show any marks either, even after being hit by V's Chain Lightning. :?:[/spoiler][/Edit]

Xykon has stated he's been making a lot of Magic Items lately... Maybe he made some that absorb the energies of the blast?

As for the Goblinoids... I have no idea.

I'm sure this is not a mistake and all will be revealed in the next few comics, especially as Redcloak and Xykon gloat.

Loch Belthadd

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Quote from: Loch Belthaddremember just because they are the most powerful evil mages to be damned to the lower planes doesn't mean that there aren't more powerful evil casters that are still living. Or in this case  unliving, but you get my point.


Perhaps but they have shown far more power than xykon ever has. Not saying Xykon couldn't be that powerful but that so far the souls have made known how vastly powerful they are.

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Quote from: Loch Belthaddremember just because they are the most powerful evil mages to be damned to the lower planes doesn't mean that there aren't more powerful evil casters that are still living. Or in this case  unliving, but you get my point.


Perhaps but they have shown far more power than xykon ever has. Not saying Xykon couldn't be that powerful but that so far the souls have made known how vastly powerful they are.

Very true however, when have we ever seen Xykon care enough to dedicate his whole effort to a specific task?

Randomly, I read a good theory as to how Xykon cast a 12 level spell - he used Sudden Maximize rather than normal maximize. This would definitely allow for Xykon to be a much lower level than 26th but still allow him the ability to pull off those big spells (albeit once per day).

Quick question: If V dies, do you guys think he'll go to one of the Evil planes (i.e. Hell), the Neutral ones or the Good ones?

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V is True Neutral, but his recent deal might have nudged him into the evil zone.
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#653 is wonderful. Xykon gained like 10 levels of awesome since his last appearance. :D

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I see V dying in 1 or 2 strips. without his splices he is no match for Xykon.
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