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Quote from: Light Dragon-I fear for O'Chul.

He will probably, however, end up slaying either the orange hobgoblin or Tsukiko, though, before he goes down.

I'll bet 10 Turtle Dollars on the Orange Hobgoblin biting it first!

QuoteHe will probably, however, end up slaying either the orange hobgoblin or Tsukiko, though, before he goes down.

something[/i], and he may decide to take out a minion, knowing he can't hurt a lich that well. Regardless, he will die gloriously. :)

Quote from: NomadicXykon is about to get owned, o'chul style

Uhmmm... no.

Remember how O-Chul got in this mess in the first place: failing the Fort save against Xykon's paralyzing touch back awhile. Remember that the save DC would be in the low to mid 30s (10 + 1/2 level + Xykon's Cha mod). Even more, with that iron bar (which would at best count as a club and as an improvised weapon at worst) he wouldn't be able to kill Xykon in one round. And even if Xykon was low on hit points and O-Chul could actually hit him, he'd simply come back in a few days.

Even if you go with the stats from the class and level geekery thread in the GITP forums, O-Chul would likely have a Fort save of at most +12 or so (considering that Cha is his dump stat and he has no magic items whatsoever, and assuming a base Con of 18 with 2 level increases put in for a 20). He'd likely save only on a natural 20.

Seriously, I see no way of O-Chul scoring any points here.

Quote from: Ra-Tiel

Quote from: NomadicXykon is about to get owned, o'chul style

Uhmmm... no.

Remember how O-Chul got in this mess in the first place: failing the Fort save against Xykon's paralyzing touch back awhile. Remember that the save DC would be in the low to mid 30s (10 + 1/2 level + Xykon's Cha mod). Even more, with that iron bar (which would at best count as a club and as an improvised weapon at worst) he wouldn't be able to kill Xykon in one round. And even if Xykon was low on hit points and O-Chul could actually hit him, he'd simply come back in a few days.

Even if you go with the stats from the class and level geekery thread in the GITP forums, O-Chul would likely have a Fort save of at most +12 or so (considering that Cha is his dump stat and he has no magic items whatsoever, and assuming a base Con of 18 with 2 level increases put in for a 20). He'd likely save only on a natural 20.

Seriously, I see no way of O-Chul scoring any points here.

You seem to be unaware of the o'chul jokes so I will let this slide (but just this once). Basically o'chul has become the equivalent of chuck norris on the OOTS forum. I was being about as serious as limetom at a meme convention.

Who would win in a fight - Chuck Norris, Mr.T or O-Chul?

The point of O'Chul dying gloriously, I would think- is to set the stage for the MiTD eventually rebelling against Xykon and perhaps allowing V to survive or to flee.

Still- I will miss him.

Quote from: Elemental_ElfWho would win in a fight - Chuck Norris, Mr.T or O-Chul?

O'Chul obviously. He would break chuck's face with his beard and then slap mr t with his teacup and strangle him to death.

Quote from: NomadicYou seem to be unaware of the o'chul jokes so I will let this slide (but just this once). Basically o'chul has become the equivalent of chuck norris on the OOTS forum. I was being about as serious as limetom at a meme convention.

I wasn't very active on the GITP forums to begin with, and certainly avoided the threads you mentioned like the devil an ocean of holy water. ;)

After all...
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Quote from: Elemental_ElfWho would win in a fight - Chuck Norris, Mr.T or O-Chul?

He. ;) :P


PS: Do you think I may be a little too involved with creating my starpact warlock?  :huh:

Remember me to always politely decline any offer to participate in any of Rich's games. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0655.html

Called shots in a d20 game, 'nough said. :-/

Also, when exactly did O-Chul learn that Red Cloak's holy symbol was Xykon's phylactery? Hmm? I seemed to have missed the memo.

Quote from: Ra-TielRemember me to always politely decline any offer to participate in any of Rich's games. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0655.html

Called shots in a d20 game, 'nough said. :-/

Also, when exactly did O-Chul learn that Red Cloak's holy symbol was Xykon's phylactery? Hmm? I seemed to have missed the memo.

That was an EPIC comic, god O-Chul is awesome!

I find it crazy that Word of Recall, a Cleric spell, does not require a Divine Focus but the SRD is king.

As for when O-Chul the Goblinslayer learned of Xykon's phylactery... Well Paladins are well versed in the toys of their enemies... Further, the Order could have mentioned it during the planning stages of the Battle for Azure City .

Quote from: Elemental_ElfThat was an EPIC comic, god O-Chul is awesome! [...]

I'd rather say that it has less to do with O-Chul being awesome but more with the tide of plot. Somehow Smite Evil in combination with the Rule of Cool seems to be the ultimate excuse in OOTS to throw rules out of the window, but mostly only whenever it benefits the good guys.

The bar would definitively count as an improvised weapon. Considering its length and that it can easily be held and wielded in one hand, the stats of a short spear fit quite good.

So, considering that O-Chul is

a) butt-naked
b) wielding an improvised weapon (including the non-proficiency penalty)
c) unbuffed
d) severly injured and likely not at full hit points (see the torture marks and scars all across his body)

how the heck does he actually manage to

a) survive the disintegrate (remember that his Fort Save is +12, at most)
b) hit a fully equipped and probably buffed cleric
c) maim him so much that he has to get the emergency exit

???

Let's say that O-Chul has Str 16, Cha 10 (he mentioned that CHA was his dump stat) and is fighter 4/paladin 7 (he has 3 attacks per round and further said in an earlier comic that he was a fighter before becoming a paladin). This means he has an attack modifier of 11 (BAB) + 3 (STR) - 4 (non-proficiency) = 10 and with a successful hit would deal 1d6 (base) + 4 (STR, two-handed) + 7 (smite evil) = 1d6 + 11 = ~14 points of damage. Even on a critical hit that would only amount to ~29 damage.

Anway, the called shot thing bugs me the most. :-/

[nerdrage]I want to see V's hands chopped off and his tongue cut out. After all, if the good guys can do called shots the evil guys can do, too![/nerdrage]

Wow, Ra-Tiel, seems you have a grudge against the good guys in the comic? :)

Great comic, but I imagine it can't end is well as it looks like it will.  Hopefully V is able to warp the two of them out of there somehow before people die.

Quote from: IshmaylWow, Ra-Tiel, seems you have a grudge against the good guys in the comic? :)

No, I don't have a grudge against them per se. I'm just moderately pissed of that the rules work differently for some characters. There's really no reason why a melee guy at around level 11 completely naked short of a loin-cloth and with an iron bar as improvised weapon should be able to take on a fully equipped and buffed cleric that is at least 4 levels higher.

And don't get me started on that called shot to the eye thing. x.

Quote from: IshmaylGreat comic, but I imagine it can't end is well as it looks like it will.  Hopefully V is able to warp the two of them out of there somehow before people die.

Both O-Chul and V deserve (un)death, simple as that. Roy got stomped into the ground for trying to take on Xykon alone, so why should an out-of-spells squishy and a lower-level NPC do better than him?

1. He stabbed out the eye so Redcloak is now "Left Eye"
In the earlier books, Redcloak betrayed his brother and friend "Right Eye".
This is why there was a called shot.

2. Scars do not mean injury. Scars are healed. It is possible he is kept at full hitpoints while imprisoned so that he can survive whatever "atrocity" Team Evil throws at him.

3. O'Chul's constitution score is perhaps around 22. And he probably took Fort Feats. It is likely he is Paladin 1/Fighter 12 or something of the sort and it is also possible he gained experience while imprisoned (fighting the Undead gladiators singlehandedly). I believe that would give him a significant fortitude save.

4. I do agree with you on this, though: I do not really understand why Redcloak fled, other than for story purposes. But I suppose losing an eye can scare the heck out of you.

For Completeness:
OOTS Boards (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6123594&postcount=6) and http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6123545&postcount=2)

"Read the comic title: "With a Critical Eye". O-Chul scored a critical hit on Redcloack while charging and catching him flatfooted, well within the rules of D&D even for a lower (than RC) level Fighter-Paladin with no equipment."

"Furtharmore, once a cleric has been disarmed of their holy symbol, they loose access to most of their magic, and Redcloak has never been one for melee... so once he looses his magic, those higher levels don't mean nearly as much anymore if he is not armed to fight... He was unamred with his only advantage was maybe higher HP... and you can be sure O'Chul was gonna take advantage of those attack of opportunity when he tried to get..."

5. Allegedly this is how he knows about the phylactery
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112071
"He was in the room when Soon was talking about it, but he was paralyzed, could he still have heard it?"
"He was paralyzed, not deaf."

6. Random O'Chul Stats Discussion: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6124052#post6124052

Firstly O'chul likely has the greatest constitution of any paladin in the SG. Secondly he knows about the phylactery because he was paralyzed and in the same room as Soon when he talked about it. Thirdly, as rich has said before. Plot outrules the rules of the game. The left eye thing is actually a pretty major connection back to the origins of the bad guys. Oh and as to why he retreated, o-chul took away his focus (the phylactery). Without a focus a cleric is toast against a fighter/paladin.