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Nomadic

#225
June 10, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: Elemental_ElfI assumed the fiends would give him a magic item that either increased his capacity, decrease the weight of the two or allowed him to cast a different spell.

That seems a bit too Dues Ex Machina for Rich (not that Rich hasn't used Dues Ex Machina before but that he tends to use it very cleverly without any strain on viewer belief).

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#226
June 10, 2009, 06:37:26 PM
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Elemental_Elf

#227
June 10, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: NomadicMost likely like most other spells of the type by attuning the teleportation to him (and select other trusted members of team evil). Also we don't know if RC has even left the city (though I have a feeling we are eventually going to find out where he went).

That's a very powerful spell if certain people can be excluded from it... Of course, if it were a magic item that allowed Redcloak to bypass the Cloister, the that would be a totally different and completely plausible solution to the problem.

Quote from: NomadicThat seems a bit too Dues Ex Machina for Rich (not that Rich hasn't used Dues Ex Machina before but that he tends to use it very cleverly without any strain on viewer belief).

I totally agree, it is rather unlikely. :(

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#228
June 10, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Yeaahhhh... MitD eyes were glowing/wobbly when he said "escape". (it could just be the zoom-in, but he's missing his usual eyebrows).

Also, tsuiko-whatsit, the mystic theurge, has previously admonished the MitD for thinking things could happens "just because he wished for it real hard."

So, yeah, I'm thinking things can happen just because the MitD wishes real hard :)

(I stole this theory fair and square from the OotS forums. It's mine now, they can't have it back. :P)
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Elemental_Elf

#229
June 10, 2009, 10:00:33 PM
So you believe MitD can cast Wish as a Spell-Like Ability?

beejazz

#230
June 11, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
I believe Xykon suffered some major setbacks in these few minutes. He might be short his right hand man. Even if redcloak didn't teleport far, he's still a cleric without a holy symbol. He's lost his phylactery, and is going to have a damn hard time finding it, and MitD is starting to see xykon et al as his captors, rather than as his friends.

I see mystic theurge girl becoming more prominent in xykon strips in the near future. I see xykon either beset by more trouble or else hurried towards the next gate. I see us finding out where redcloak went. I see us maybe even finding the location of the phylactery as a direct result of xykon's second (in the course of the strip) death... much later.*

As for teleporting out... are these fiends the same three who were told about the gate a long long time ago by Sabine? The same ones who just got an epic teleport specialist's soul back? Do we really know all the resources at their disposal?

If it was MitD, which it may have been, it throws out most of my theories on what it could be.

*Watch him skip to whatever the hell Nale etc. are up to instead.
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Elemental_Elf

#231
June 11, 2009, 01:43:25 AM
Quote from: beejazzI see mystic theurge girl becoming more prominent in xykon strips in the near future. I see xykon either beset by more trouble or else hurried towards the next gate. I see us finding out where redcloak went. I see us maybe even finding the location of the phylactery as a direct result of xykon's second (in the course of the strip) death... much later.*

I agree with this assessment. Not only was it Redcloak who lost Xykon's phylactery BUT it was Redcloak who insisted on staying in Azure City for months and months AND it was Redcloak who further insisted on keeping O-Chul alive during that same period. So really this *entire* series of mishaps would have never have occurred if Xykon had simply gone to the next gate.

So yes, I agree. Redcloak has fallen far out of favor with Xykon and his fall is, chiefly, to Tsukiko's benefit.

Nomadic

#232
June 11, 2009, 05:11:06 AM
Quote from: Elemental_ElfThat's a very powerful spell if certain people can be excluded from it... Of course, if it were a magic item that allowed Redcloak to bypass the Cloister, the that would be a totally different and completely plausible solution to the problem.

Well technically it is an epic spell. However, I was thinking of things like the ward spells that can be deactivated with command words or simply set to ignore certain people.

Elemental_Elf

#233
June 11, 2009, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: Nomadic
Quote from: Elemental_ElfThat's a very powerful spell if certain people can be excluded from it... Of course, if it were a magic item that allowed Redcloak to bypass the Cloister, the that would be a totally different and completely plausible solution to the problem.

I like my Garage Door Opener idea. :)

Nomadic

#234
June 11, 2009, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: Elemental_Elf
Quote from: Nomadic
Quote from: Elemental_ElfThat's a very powerful spell if certain people can be excluded from it... Of course, if it were a magic item that allowed Redcloak to bypass the Cloister, the that would be a totally different and completely plausible solution to the problem.

I like my Garage Door Opener idea. :)


An epic garage door opener? That sounds like an artifact idea.

Loch Belthadd

#235
June 11, 2009, 04:28:28 PM
Quote from: Elemental_ElfSo you believe MitD can cast Wish as a Spell-Like Ability?
Yes, but I don't think MitD can do it on purpose, only when he/she/it fears for someone/something.
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#236
June 11, 2009, 05:50:12 PM
Quote from: Loch Belthadd
Quote from: Elemental_ElfSo you believe MitD can cast Wish as a Spell-Like Ability?
Yes, but I don't think MitD can do it on purpose, only when he/she/it fears for someone/something.

I don't think it only is activated by fear. The MitD has shown that it doesn't understand what it is capable of. So it probably has all these abilities, it just doesn't use them because it doesn't know it has them/doesn't understand what they are.

Loch Belthadd

#237
June 11, 2009, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: Nomadic
Quote from: Loch Belthadd
Quote from: Elemental_ElfSo you believe MitD can cast Wish as a Spell-Like Ability?
Yes, but I don't think MitD can do it on purpose, only when he/she/it fears for someone/something.

I don't think it only is activated by fear. The MitD has shown that it doesn't understand what it is capable of. So it probably has all these abilities, it just doesn't use them because it doesn't know it has them/doesn't understand what they are.
Maybe, but humans gain ridiculous amounts of strength thanks to fear. When you feel a certain type of fear, your body releases a chemical that removes the restrictions on muscles, thus allowing to lift cars off of others. People actually are much stronger than their bodies allow. If you could normally use all of your muscle mass, you would be ripping your own muscles out left and right.
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#238
June 11, 2009, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: Nomadic
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Quote from: Elemental_ElfSo you believe MitD can cast Wish as a Spell-Like Ability?
Yes, but I don't think MitD can do it on purpose, only when he/she/it fears for someone/something.

I don't think it only is activated by fear. The MitD has shown that it doesn't understand what it is capable of. So it probably has all these abilities, it just doesn't use them because it doesn't know it has them/doesn't understand what they are.

I totally agree. To use a pop culture reference, it's like when Harry Potter was first developing his magical powers. To cite an example, Harry, unknowingly, allowed Duddley to fall through the glass into a python's exhibit. The incident was completely unexplained and completely unimaginable. Harry had no idea *he* was the direct cause of the incident, all Harry knew was that he enjoyed the ocurence. Thus, the Monster in the Darkness may very well be doing the same thing. He doesn't know he has Wish as a Spell-Like Ability but when ever he gets fairly emotional, things always happen to make him happy again, citing the return of the paralyzed O-Chul and the sudden disappearance of O-Chul and V as examples.

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#239
June 11, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: Nomadic
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Quote from: Elemental_ElfSo you believe MitD can cast Wish as a Spell-Like Ability?
Yes, but I don't think MitD can do it on purpose, only when he/she/it fears for someone/something.

I don't think it only is activated by fear. The MitD has shown that it doesn't understand what it is capable of. So it probably has all these abilities, it just doesn't use them because it doesn't know it has them/doesn't understand what they are.

and/or MitD might have to really want something bad before it's activated. I mean, it can't just be "oh, i wish I had an ice cream right now", it has to be "I wish my only real friend wasn't about to die right now".
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