OOTS Rumor, Speculation and Otherwise General Discussion! *Spoiler HEAVY!* (you've been warned)

Elemental_Elf · July 03, 2009, 01:22:45 PM

Man, 1/4 of all her black dragon children were wiped off the face of the earth due to the Fiends... Yeah she is going to be pissed.

Maybe Tiamat is one of the 9 sides the roaches talked about...

OOTS
Linear Guild
The Fiends
Xykon
Redcloak
The Northern Good Gods
Tiamat
Azureites
Monster in the Darkness?

I suppose the last one is a bit of a stretch...

LD · July 03, 2009, 01:51:08 PM

9 Sides? What comic talked about that?

Thank you for explaining why Tiamat would be on the phone-- I did not immediately make the connection.

Elemental_Elf · July 03, 2009, 02:27:00 PM

Good ole Comic #548

The Roaches say that there are 9 sides in this conflict, some of which haven't even been revealed.

LD · July 03, 2009, 06:30:27 PM

Ok. Thank you!

As for your suppositions:

"OOTS - Check. Easy to see.
Linear Guild - Check. Easy to see.
The Fiends - Check. Easy to see.
Xykon - Check. Easy to see.
Redcloak - Check. Easy to see.
The Northern Good Gods - ??? I am not sure how they are not aligned the same as the OOTS.
Tiamat - Perhaps... Given current developments.
Azureites - ???? They don't care and lack the resources? Hinjo's on the same side as the OOTS for now.
Monster in the Darkness - Possibly? But not strong.

Out of what we have seen, unless a side splits, I cannot see more than 5/6 distinct sides currently. And the GiTP author likes to leave hints in for things that will happen later- but I find it difficult to discern any new sides. It will be interesting to see what develops for the remaining 3... Most likely it may be a split on a side--

The dwarves/Durkon differing from Belkar differing from the rest of the OOTS, for example ?

Nomadic · July 04, 2009, 01:49:20 AM

The roaches are obviously their own side. A secret, superpower in waiting. They prepare to strike when we least expect it.

SDragon · July 07, 2009, 09:50:02 AM

When I first read that, I thought they were making a reference to the nine alignments. Now I'm leaning toward it being an actual plot point, but I'm still not convinced that it's not an alignment reference.

Alignment check for the proposed "sides", anyone?

Pair o' Dice Lost · July 07, 2009, 11:08:47 AM

Possible alignment check:

OotS: Overall NG. Belkar and V are at least acting good, whatever their real alignments, and there's both law and chaos there.
Linear Guild: Averages out to N, I'd say; yeah, they're opposing OotS, but there's no overall evil there, just rivalry, and the alignments cancel out (Nale + Thog + that dwarf whose name I don't remember + Sabine = L + C + G + E).
Fiends: Overall NE, since the devils and demons cancel out the ethical axis.
Xykon: CE, easily.
Redcloak: LN, I think; he's not really acting for an evil purpose, just trying to help the goblins, regardless of the Dark One influence.
Northern Gods: I'd say CG; the Norse pantheon as portrayed in OotS is quite a bit more relaxed than their real-life portrayal.
Tiamat: LE, of course.
Azurites: Overall LG. The common folk probably don't care about much except survival and rebuilding at this point, but the leaders (and thus the source of their motivation) are a bunch of paladins.
MitD: Strikes me as CN: he's a bit random and funny, doesn't quite know what he's doing.

It might be a bit of a stretch in some cases, but I can definitely see an alignment correspondence there.

Ishmayl-Retired · July 07, 2009, 11:31:33 AM

I can agree with most of your post except the Linear Guild. The dwarf (Hilgya) is no longer with them, and she was the only redeeming factor in their group. The rest of them are overwhelmingly evil, except possibly Thog, who may just be CN. But Nale and Sabine by themselves shift the balance far over onto the evil side of the axis.

SDragon · July 07, 2009, 02:16:43 PM

Quote from: IshmaylI can agree with most of your post except the Linear Guild. The dwarf (Hilgya) is no longer with them, and she was the only redeeming factor in their group. The rest of them are overwhelmingly evil, except possibly Thog, who may just be CN. But Nale and Sabine by themselves shift the balance far over onto the evil side of the axis.

I'm going to agree with this. Also, I'm not convinced Redcloak is entirely lawful (he thought up the cup-game tactic, relying on the Order's general expectation of lawfulness), or that he's not evil. I suppose we'll have to see for that.

Belkar, as an individual, I'd say was definitely CE, but since being forced to behave LG, I'd say he's having a big shift toward CN, or even as far as TN. I think I'd agree that the Order as a whole is probably NG, though.

Nomadic · July 07, 2009, 03:09:23 PM

where has belkar done anything good recently?

SDragon · July 07, 2009, 04:17:36 PM

Okay, LN, but only because being forced to refrain from evil deeds isn't the same as being forced to good deeds.

Matt Larkin (author) · July 09, 2009, 08:28:52 AM

So some revelations this time round.

beejazz · July 09, 2009, 08:58:33 AM

Quote from: IshmaylI can agree with most of your post except the Linear Guild. The dwarf (Hilgya) is no longer with them, and she was the only redeeming factor in their group. The rest of them are overwhelmingly evil, except possibly Thog, who may just be CN. But Nale and Sabine by themselves shift the balance far over onto the evil side of the axis.

Wasn't Hilgya a cleric of a CE god though? I doubt she's fully good aligned. I'd characterise the Guild as CN or CE. They're hardly true neutral.

Hell, given that he doesn't do much of anything, maybe MitD is true neutral... for now at least.

Elemental_Elf · July 09, 2009, 12:09:33 PM

OOTS 668 is now up!

Loch Belthadd · July 09, 2009, 11:24:50 PM

I love the damage on Director Lee.

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