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Snargash Moonclaw

#15
May 17, 2008, 07:04:14 PM
[blockquote the_taken]. The concept is to alienate everyone that's not going to shift to the new program, make them go away. They are uprooting the whole D&D tree.5 and are tossing it out in the trash. If you really like the tree, you can go with it.[/blockquote]
For myself, they succeeded in that the moment they announced that there really would be a 4.0. WoC is not concerned about keeping my business. Then again, I'm not really concerned about them keeping their business; I honestly wouldn't even notice if they folded - IMHO they're desperately seeking to become the Microshaft of the gaming industry. No surprise to hear that one of their moderators is imitating the anti-social skills of little Billy Gates.
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#16
May 17, 2008, 08:17:03 PM
I'm at a complete loss here, what is going on now? Also, when some one spells this out, can they do it in a non-threatening, non-confrontational, non-biased way? Thanks :)

Numinous

#17
May 18, 2008, 12:27:59 AM
Is Gamer Zero Mike Lescault?  I was just on the WotC boards and looking at Gamer_Zero's sig.  I'm not sure whether this changes anything at all, but accuracy is always a good thing.
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#18
May 18, 2008, 02:05:36 AM
Quote from: Rose Of MontagueIs Gamer Zero Mike Lescault?  I was just on the WotC boards and looking at Gamer_Zero's sig.  I'm not sure whether this changes anything at all, but accuracy is always a good thing.

That's always what I have heard...

Xathan

#19
May 18, 2008, 02:26:16 AM
Actually, I'm positive it is - and, as Poseidon mentioned to me over AIM, Mike Mearls is Wotc_Mearls.
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#20
May 18, 2008, 02:51:54 AM
I thought it didn't make any damned sense to have a lead designer managing the forums.

the_taken--i edited out the name and noun in your topic title--it was seen as offensive, and directed to the wrong person. Either one by itself might be okay, but both together was kind of pushing it. :P
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#21
May 18, 2008, 03:37:41 AM
There's the real name. I knew I was getting something wrong, especially when Gamer Zero had Mearls on his show. LOL.
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#22
May 18, 2008, 05:06:57 AM
Yeah... I thought maybe Lescault was a pseudonym and Taken was right, but it seemed... yeah. :P

the_taken

#23
May 18, 2008, 08:58:46 AM
Quote from: brainfaceI thought it didn't make any damned sense to have a lead designer managing the forums.

the_taken--i edited out the name and noun in your topic title--it was seen as offensive, and directed to the wrong person. Either one by itself might be okay, but both together was kind of pushing it. :P

Sure, thing. The thread is just supposed to be a source of information on the crap going on at WotC.

Stay informed! Knowing is half the battle.

Poseptune

#24
May 18, 2008, 10:20:52 AM
Taken your first post still references Mike Mearls.

Also the second thread linked is a thread read by G0's boss. The Boss has posted there a few times and in other threads in the forums, so the concerns and criticisms are read, but a lot of them are drowned out by the noise of posts similar to the OP of this thread. Posts that are way off base, and/or just ranting and raving not constructive concerns.

This thread is way out of line. G0 is known to make mistakes, sometimes major ones, but not all decisions he distributes are his. There is a four member team that makes the community decisions.

If you think that I am a G0 fan, you're mistaken, he and I have butted heads one more than one occasion, but to come here and find a thread like this. I thought this place was above the behind the back name calling.

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the_taken

#25
May 18, 2008, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: PoseidonTaken your first post still references Mike Mearls.

...

This was the first time I've ever been disappointed when I've come here.

Is that better?

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I think this is the first time I've offended someone...
Sorry.

SDragon

#26
May 21, 2008, 10:11:11 AM
Since I'm not really familiar with G0, or Mike Whomever, I'm not going to make any attacks on any individuals. However...

Quote from: Snargash MoonclawIMHO they're desperately seeking to become the Microshaft of the gaming industry.

I agree with this one hundred percent. I think they're relying heavily on the weight of brand recognition as they shift as much money as they can over to marketing, allowing them to sell Whatever They Damned Please(tm), in whatever manner they like. It doesn't help that they're pulling off the new-books-to-buy scheme about as transparently as a bricked tossed at one's head. The sad fact of the matter is that, in the grand scale of things, both of these are actually very proven, very successful business tactics. Talk the right way, and not only can you sell a catsup Popsicle to a lady in white gloves, but you might even be able to sell her your new-and-improved catsup Popsicles, too.
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#27
May 21, 2008, 12:02:57 PM
I really don't see what people's problem with 4e is. (And please please please no one use that thrice-damned "4$" phrase. Drives me up the bleeding wall) Yes, 4e is a transparent grab to get more money and is overhauling a system many people were happy with. However, I remember not too long before 4e was announced, people complaining about how repetitive 3e products were getting. And they were, no argument here.

Let me say this plainly: WOTC. Is. A. Business. They are in this to make money: they have to, to pay their employees, make more products, etc. If 3.5 is no longer economically viable, their options are to either keep printing material for it until they are out of business, or create a new system that offers them more profit. Why does it bother people that they go for option B?

(And I know this is off topic for this thread, but I really don't feel bad about that - this is the more interesting topic, and less hateful.)
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#28
May 21, 2008, 12:37:04 PM
I'm gonna agree with Xathan here on both counts, but mostly on the count that the "replace dollar sign with letter" meme needs to die a death of the dying Right Now, I don't care what company name or slogan it's worked into.
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Stargate525

#29
May 21, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
http://www.thealexandrian.net/

That guy pretty much sums up why I'm not keen on fourth edition.
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