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Stargate525

#15
May 13, 2007, 03:36:25 PM
Bumped the DCs down by three.

I also thought about metamagic applications. What if you took a feat the allowed you to know metamagic in general (all metamagic feats, this might be problematic as there are now quite a few. Perhaps only two or three), but you could only use a metamagic if your skill in the spell was at least (slot modifier x 10). So to use quicken, you would need 40 points in the spell. It increases the DC by the same number divided by 2; a quickened spell would have a +20 modifier to its DC. mana cost would be handled the same as in the SRD.

I hope that makes sense.
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Higgs Boson

#16
May 13, 2007, 06:06:42 PM
hmm....that means a DC 38 for a 1st level quickened spell, meaning that a 9th level wizard, in order to cast quickened magic missle, with full ranks in spellcraft has to get 38 or higher.
12 ranks from spellcraft
lets say 4 points from Int bonus.
that means he needs a 22 or above on a roll, which as we know is impossible. My suggestion is as such: make it slot modifier x 5, that brings it down to a 28 which is much more feasable, that is unless your goal is to make metamagic downright dangerous to cast.
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Stargate525

#17
May 13, 2007, 06:34:01 PM
Quote from: Uranium-238hmm....that means a DC 38 for a 1st level quickened spell, meaning that a 9th level wizard, in order to cast quickened magic missle, with full ranks in spellcraft has to get 38 or higher.
12 ranks from spellcraft
lets say 4 points from Int bonus.
that means he needs a 22 or above on a roll, which as we know is impossible. My suggestion is as such: make it slot modifier x 5, that brings it down to a 28 which is much more feasable, that is unless your goal is to make metamagic downright dangerous to cast.

Two things, you're forgetting the bonuses from points. in order to even cast a quickened spell he has to have 40 points in the spell, and since that's added to the roll it's an automatic success. Secondly, there is no difference between (4x10)/2 and 4x5, they both equal twenty.

Something else also occurred to me; if we make each school a different skill, they don't all have to be tied to int. We could have them across the board if we wanted to.
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#18
May 13, 2007, 07:03:44 PM
Oh, i must have not read the part about spell points giving bonuses. and for the record, i meant (4x5)/2. And there are, what, 8 different schools? that means a wizard with no focus can only cast around 6 schools at first level. it means no concentration skill if they want to be effective at all schools. Or, we could do that but change the schools around. For instance, abjuration would become a subschool of conjuration. But that leads to a hella lot of work on our part.
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May 13, 2007, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: Uranium-238Oh, i must have not read the part about spell points giving bonuses. and for the record, i meant (4x5)/2. And there are, what, 8 different schools? that means a wizard with no focus can only cast around 6 schools at first level. it means no concentration skill if they want to be effective at all schools. Or, we could do that but change the schools around. For instance, abjuration would become a subschool of conjuration. But that leads to a hella lot of work on our part.
ah. confusion understood. for the record, the entire roll is 1d20 + (points in spell) + (skill bonus), which is why figuring out those values was so devilishly hard in the first place.

Or we could simply give the casters more skill points. I don't think it's unwarranted, considering they're picking up an additional 8 class skills.
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May 13, 2007, 10:44:06 PM
Well, i was just thinking we change spellcraft to
Spellcraft (Divine)
Spellcraft (Arcane) and make it so the governing att. is just your class' spellcasting att. The problem with making each school is a skill is thus: Casters focus on spells, making their time to learn how to be more skillfull (as in more bonus skill points) essentially means we are changing the flavor and basics of the class that WOTC intended it to be, meaning this will only fit in with a few campaign settings that use non-WOTC stuff.
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Stargate525

#21
May 13, 2007, 11:01:33 PM
I'm sorry, I couldn't understand you. Could you rephrase please?

If I understand you correctly, you think that giving them extra skill points will change the basics of their class. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we totally revamping the magic system anyway? Leaving the casters unchanged would be like rebuilding your computer but keeping the mono monitor.
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#22
May 13, 2007, 11:11:30 PM
Hmmm....i see your point. Eight spellcraft schools fits ell with other fantasy books, etc. I am going to be making a character sheet for this type of wizard soon. Any suggestions for what program to use?
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Stargate525

#23
May 14, 2007, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Uranium-238Hmmm....i see your point. Eight spellcraft schools fits ell with other fantasy books, etc. I am going to be making a character sheet for this type of wizard soon. Any suggestions for what program to use?
Sorry. I don't have anything that can do that well.
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May 14, 2007, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: Uranium-238Hmmm....i see your point. Eight spellcraft schools fits ell with other fantasy books, etc. I am going to be making a character sheet for this type of wizard soon. Any suggestions for what program to use?
If you are willing to invest some time, OOo Draw can create reasonable results with PDF export functionality available. I've made some quite well looking sheets for EverQuest d20 and Babylon 5 d20 (although I've lost the files, I could eventually make a scan and post that if you need something visual). You'd just need to work with transparent text fields a lot.

On the other hand, I've been toying around with the idea of using Paint.NET and its layers to make a charactersheet. Still not quite sure how that'd work out, as I haven't tried it yet. :-/

Higgs Boson

#25
May 14, 2007, 07:07:18 PM
OOo Draw? Would this work better than Excel? And if so...:
link....gimme....please?
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#26
May 14, 2007, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: Uranium-238OOo Draw? Would this work better than Excel? And if so...:
link....gimme....please?
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#27
May 14, 2007, 08:41:26 PM
Thank you
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#28
May 16, 2007, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Uranium-238Well, i was just thinking we change spellcraft to
Spellcraft (Divine)
Spellcraft (Arcane) and make it so the governing att. is just your class' spellcasting att. The problem with making each school is a skill is thus: Casters focus on spells, making their time to learn how to be more skillfull (as in more bonus skill points) essentially means we are changing the flavor and basics of the class that WOTC intended it to be, meaning this will only fit in with a few campaign settings that use non-WOTC stuff.
correct me if I'm wrong, but you said that "Casters focus on spells" and to give them more skill points would mean that they aren't "making their time to learn how to be more skillfull."  Correct?  If they're spending all their time making spells and not (in essense) gaining skill points then why don't we give them an extra 2+ int or 4+ int to put into only casting slots (spellcraft, concentration, etc.)?
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Higgs Boson

#29
May 16, 2007, 09:00:45 PM
yeah i just realized that now. my bad. just make their class skills knowledge (all skills taken individually), spellcraft (all skills taken individually), concentration, use magic device, decipher script, and craft (any)
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