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#30
September 09, 2007, 02:15:09 AM
Man, I never even thought about copyright issues with stuff posted on boards. My understanding of current copyright law is that whatever you write is yours unless you explicitly assign copyright to someone else - you don't even need that little copyright sign or anything (though it might help in court).

Without an assignment of copyright, or an explicit license to it, no one else can legally use your words except under Fair Use, which allows excerpts to be used "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research". Oh, and the part in quotes there is taken from Wikipedia under the afore-mentioned Fair Use. =)

Of course, I guess a site's Terms of Service IS a contract explicitly stating that sorta thing, but it usually doesn't involve an assignment of copyright or an exclusive license, just a license stating the site has the right to post what you write online (which might even be considered implicitly understood). Now I have to go find and read WotC's ToS.... :|

That said, there is a rather lax attitude about stuff found on the web. I'm pretty sure I saw a poll on theCBG's own home page once that I'd seen before elsewhere. If those running the site copy stuff that isn't their own work and use it on the website in that manner, then that's probably, technically copyright infringement.

Ishmayl, not that a poll is anywhere near the creative effort of a book or campaign setting, but...considering we're comparing it against a single word "Shadowfell" so far...might this be a small case of the pot calling the kettle black...? ;)

SA

#31
September 09, 2007, 08:03:25 AM
This is the Code of Conduct every member has to abide by as a Wizards forum member.  If there are any other de facto contracts lurking around during the signup process, I don't know of them.

As part of Wizards of the Coast's commitment to make this website (the "Site") a great place to meet and interact with other gamers around the world, members and guests of the Site agree to abide by our Code of Conduct. You are responsible for knowing and abiding by these conduct rules, the Site Terms of Use and the Gleemax Member Terms of Service to ensure that everyone feels welcome.

All community and social networking aspects of the Site are subject to the Code of Conduct (often referred to as "the CoC"). This includes, without limitation, account names, group/clan names, profile content, blog content and comments, chat and forum activity, e-mail or private messages to Wizards of the Coast staff.

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Everything looks to be in order, here.  No sleazy fine print clause covering Wizards' asses against copyright infringement or the like.  If they are engaging in any nefarious naughtiness, they're as culpable as any sort.

Raelifin

#32
September 09, 2007, 09:26:52 AM
This is what really makes me mad about the whole thing. Notice that in the code of conduct it mentions that you must abide by the "Website Terms of Use"? Note that it doesn't link to it! They make you sign a contract saying that you agree to another contract which you don't see!

Quote from: http://ww2.wizards.com/Company/Misc/Index.aspx?doc=websitelegalnoticeTHIS[/url].

SA

#33
September 09, 2007, 09:37:31 AM
*shivers*

I have gazed into the abyss.

And lo, it gazeth back.

I'm just glad the CBG ain't got no such insidious legalese.

It doesnt, right...?[/irony]

NOTE: the terms of use is accessible at the bottom of most pages on the site, or by clicking About Us on the Wizards homepage and then clicking Terms of Use.  Clever trick, totally legal (as far as I know), and very, naughty.

Hibou

#34
September 09, 2007, 10:49:58 AM
I love how they say that, and then tell you you must "represent and warrant that you have rights" to your content.

I'm going to purge Vilydunn - The Nightmare right now. THEY'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE... OR SLEEPING!

EDIT: Well I would have done that, but it seems I'm archived now.
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#35
September 09, 2007, 11:44:08 AM
Yeah, I went back and tried to get rid of all my old Shadowfell stuff, but it's long been archived
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#36
September 09, 2007, 02:04:59 PM
I've held off replying on this thread to get it right.
About a decade and a half ago (give or take) I had moved to another state and city, as usual, for a singificant other.  In this case, the 'other' was going to Med School.  I found the local gaming community pretty fast, but was surprised at how open the community was.  I had a group set up within 10 days, and it was on.  
One of the 2 local game store owners was actually playing, and he backed me to the point of setting up meetings with possible publishers.  Due to a typically-idiotic romantic falling out, I ended up leaving town, perhaps thinking in my rear brain that kind of business opportunity would just roll by again.
(I was a very special kind of idiot, in retrospect).

It didn't roll by again.  The real world took a toll, and the idea of publishing my game, a dream which frustles around in all of our heads at one level or another, went the way of all things.  I don't think I ever let it bother me, and I started getting less secretive about the mechanics, and even started letting my players help build the system, which helped.  My game still changed and evolved and became more of an artistic outlet.
Then, about 5 years ago, I saw what my old friend from the gaming store had been doing.  I bought one of the more popular computer RPG's and was struck how much I liked the skill-based system...and how some of the skills fed on each other, and how the levels worked within each skill...and then after getting curious enough I found my old friend who used to run the gaming store, who played in my game, in the credits as a developer.

I have to admit, all my formerly dead-and-buried feelings of publishing, all the thoughts of the game-as-art, all my happy-crap internally created dynamic about not caring about who used my stuff fulgerated in an instant at the thought of this guy who played my game for a few months making solid money (this game has gone through multiple iterations and has won awards) on my intellectual property.  

I stewed about this for a while.  I think I have a handle on how Ishmayl feels, because when it happens, it is incredibly deflating.  However, not to excuse any of the callow actions on the parts of the Hasbro Wizards or any other dyvors, after a while I realized that he had at least done something with it.  Obviously (and it is hard to take the onus on myself), if it had been up to me, my game and ideas would all still be a back-room phenomenon.  I don't hate him anymore for it, because he at least played in the game, enjoyed it enough to take some ideas, and go from there.  

Now, in the case of an extant company that encourages people to interact online, that openly promotes the exhibition and sharing of intellectual labors, and does so in a setting that will afford them legal protection to abscond with said labors, I have nothing but the greatest comtempt.  Pre-planned intellectual larceny is all it is.  I decided months ago to share and learn here, where divergent opinions where welcome.  I am doubly happy that I did, and will no longer patronize any Hasbro/Wizards product.


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#37
September 09, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
Again, I'm a little more sympathetic to WotC. If you encourage people to post ideas, there is inevitably going to be some overlap between their work and stuff you are working on. And when you are the guy with the deep pockets, you start to worry about people suing you. So you want something to protect you against the possibility of being sued over a coincidence. I challenge anyone to come up with a better policy to protect them against spending money defending themselves against baseless lawsuits, but without letting them abscond with your labors.

The upshot is, if you want to post your ideas somewhere and keep the rights, you need to find a forum that doesn't have a policy like that. CBG (and other places) doesn't need that kind of protection, because we don't have an independent publishing arm, and we aren't a fat juicy lawsuit target.

I can't get too upset at WotC for this, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give them my stuff either.
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#38
September 09, 2007, 06:00:18 PM
Quote from: TerrorCakeEverything looks to be in order, here.  No sleazy fine print clause covering Wizards' asses against copyright infringement or the like.  If they are engaging in any nefarious naughtiness, they're as culpable as any sort.

I'm not an expert in this kind of things, but wouldn't the following excerpt from what you quoted already be a big step in that direction?

QuoteViolation of the Code of Conduct rules is grounds for Site account(s) termination. Termination includes you forfeiting all product/content associated with your account(s) and being no longer permitted use of our online services or tools in any way. Wizards of the Coast staff are the final judges of whether a member's behavior qualifies as inappropriate or a disruption.

It pretty much states that WotC doesn't need a reason to terminate your account (the "final judges" bit), and when they do, "all product/content associated with your account(s)" is theirs. In theory, wouldn't that be enough to take anything they want?

Not that it matters, mind you, because of the bits Raelifin quoted. Though I can see why WotC needs to protect itself, it's still pretty nasty they can just take whatever they want.

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#39
September 09, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
We could always force every member on WOTC boards to just post extremely crappy ideas.
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#40
September 09, 2007, 10:51:50 PM
That would be a good idea... or we could at least protect the 4e-users by petitioning against a Campaign Workshop-type forum for the new edition.
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#41
September 10, 2007, 02:32:19 PM
Quote from: TerrorCakeIf there are any other de facto contracts lurking around during the signup process, I don't know of them.
There's also the Terms of Use, which you agree to when you sign up and which is thereafter remarkably hard to track down. That's where the whole "non-exclusive right to reprint anything you post without paying or crediting you" stuff is hidden.

EDIT: Oh, I see people have already mentioned that. But I don't think they've mentioned this yet:

D&D Insider is "powered by Gleemax," so those Terms of Use apply to anything you do on D&D Insider. If you create a character with their online character generator, they can reprint it without paying or crediting you. If you create a map with their online map tools, they can reprint it without paying or crediting you. If you run an adventure through their online game table, they can reprint it without paying or crediting you.

So technically, if you use the D&D Insider online tools, you are letting WotC freely reprint any characters, maps, adventures, or worlds you create or post there.
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#42
September 11, 2007, 01:53:19 PM
Heh, I forgot about this thread :)  Glad to see you guys are still chatting about these issues.  I've actually been talking some legalese with a few people, and there's a good chance that the CBG will have some Terms of Use written up specifically for it in the extremely near future, and I just want to assure you guys that there will be absolutely nothing in there - on my word - that even remotely claims ownership to anything you guys put on this site.  Once I get the document drafted, I'll probably post it up for us to discuss.  Maybe.  But either way, I won't steal your shit ;)
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#43
October 08, 2007, 08:34:34 PM
Quoted from another thread:
Quote from: Knight of RavensAnnwn...is a reference to a part of the Plane of Faerie as it is being created at Dicefreaks.
Hmmm... Ishy creates Shadowfell, WotC creates the Shadowfell; Dicefreaks create a faerie plane, WotC creates the Feywild.

Funny how that works.
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October 08, 2007, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: Epic MeepoQuoted from another thread:
Quote from: Knight of RavensAnnwn...is a reference to a part of the Plane of Faerie as it is being created at Dicefreaks.

Err...the Faerie Project (which I am not a part of personally), is just an attempt to synch yet another aspect of the cosmology of D&D to the standard established by the team behind Gates of Evil. I know you're not detracting from it, EM, but I thought I'd point it out.

And without reading all the way through this thread (and thherefore I'm possibly making a wrong assumption), I'd at least like to say that I've been burgled in the past by certain interests too. Thankfully the result did not please the million as it was butchered into a shadowy semblance of decency. That part at least was worth it.
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