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not if your a human

Dwarves 6, Elves 4

I vote elves. They live longer, have wittier comebacks than 'By Moradin's Beard!', and it's far easier to be charmed by the feminine wiles of an elf maiden (the beard thing is a really big thing to get over, and I don't think there's enough beer, Dwarven or not, that could overcome it). Besides...come on, Liv Tyler, man.

Page 118-119, 4e DMG. 'Nuff said.

I counter you with Sienna Guillory, Elf Maiden from Eragon.

Elves definitely! :D

I like making elves be elf-ly, and then give humans the role dwarves usually got, so humans were something other than just the "generic" race. Then, there's some interesting contrast with the elves that way, too. The dwarves themselves got left out. Bearded midgets, who needs em. ;)

Quote from: Elemental_DwarfI counter you with Sienna Guillory, Elf Maiden from Eragon.

Doesn't work. I read the book, and swore I'd never, ever watch the movie or read anything else by Paolini ever again. You'd have better luck with a Norda (you know, she was an elf character in some sword and sorcery movie with Jeremy Irons and a narcoleptic Thora Birch) counter, to which my reply would be at least her presence had some slight dignity compared to 'Elwood Gutworthy'...or pretty much anyone else's, for that matter.

Good call Knight, Eragon was the WORST movie I've ever seen, it was terrible, they hash the plot so bad its ridiculous.

However Eldest (second book) is a lot better then the first.

But dwarves have Gimli from LotR, elves had Legolas so :P

Granted. But I think Arwen and Galadriel made up for the weird push to androgyny all the male elves suffered from in those movies (with the exception of Elrond, whose receding hairline helped secure his masculinity).

@Knight: I counter with this:



@Llum: Really? I thought it was the worst of the 3 so far.

What about the Elves from Hellboy 2? Mind you they were pretty bad ass. Elrond was pretty manly, but hes like half man so hes kinda a half elf.

Worst is is Birsignr, the pacing was really bad, I think its because he split what should have been the last book into two separate books, kinda screwed up his pacing, I think at least.

@Nomadic Dwarf: They may be goofy, but they are productive. I haven't seen any of that vaunted dwarven beer or a rune-engraved battleaxe made by dwarven hands, but I have eaten the Keebler cookies. And until those dwarves manage so great a feat (that beer better be pretty darn good to beat fudge stripes), flashing Keebler as a counter makes those bearded busibodies still look pretty pale.

@Llum: Nuada/Nuala and their ilk from Hellboy 2 were more fey, like the 4e eladrins (at the very least; I personally would say they were more like 2e/3e eladrins, which is where I wish they had stayed instead of being turned into gray elves with different flavor). They were cool, but sadly don't fall into the right category.

Dwarves and Elves tied 6 to 6.

  To tell the truth, I thought the BOOK of Eragon was ALRIGHT. Not good, ALRIGHT. Eldest was actually pretty good, I enjoyed it. The game was lacking in storyline and not having many story elements, but it was pretty fun.

             The movie sucked so bad it was like a trainwreck, I couldn't stop watching. No, it was like an apocylypse. Absolutely terrible. I guess no sequals :]

      Urgals? What the hell kind of name is that? Really?

 Oh, and I finally realized something. Listen to the overall storyline.

        "A farm boy living a peaceful life with his uncle realizes his great destiny after he finds an old hermit by his farm that ends up being a great master, and the hermit becomes his mentor after his uncle's farm is destroyed, teaching him in the ways of his power. Together they must bring down the evil empire leader by a cruel king. Far on their mission the mentor of the farm boy destined to great things dies at the hands of one of their worst enemies. Farther into the story, this farm boy destined for great things has been told the unsettling truth that this great evil king was his father the entire time."

   And peace is restored to the Galaxy! Cue Star wars soundtrack: Dun dun duuuuuun dun dun dun duuuuuuuuuuun dun dun dun dun da da dun

     

Drizzt, you're just realizing that? I was clued in as soon as what's his name (the character Jeremy Irons played in Eragon) started talking about how Emperor Myxyxpytlk or whatever his name is came to power (in the book, mind you). Sure, most of the Star Wars story is based on pretty standard plot devices and character archetypes, but Paolini had to use them all in the exact same places. Turned me off almost instantly, though I managed to struggle through to the end of the book.

EDIT: And mind you, Star Wars is rapidly becoming an epithet in my vocabulary thanks to Episodes I-III.

Well if all I had to go off of was The Lord of the Rings books, then I'd probably pick Elves.

If all I had to go off of were the movies, then I'd pick dwarves.

If all I had to go off of was D&D (old skool), then I'd pick dwarves in a heartbeat.

If I'm thinking about Warcraft or its spawn, then I'm hiding my head in a hole and shooting myself in the ass because my only choices are pathetic.

My preferences, I suppose, would be something like this:

1) Dwarves of the really small, semi-magical kind like Rumplestiltskin.
2) Elves of the diminutive, foresty type -- think Brownies and Pixies, or Santa's elves.  Even Keebler Elves.
3) Dwarves of the really small, industrious type (Think Snow White)
4) Elves of the Galadriel/Glorfindel/Gil-Galad literary type. (Immortal badasses)
5) D&D Elves on the model of the Kagonesti/Wood Elf
6) D&D Dwarves
7) D&D Elves on the model of high magic users, like Silvanesti-style high elves

So that's Dwarves in spots 1, 3, and 6.  Elves in 2, 4, 5, and 7.

I guess that means I'm voting for dwarves.

Dwarves winning 7 to 6.