The CBG System (discussions)

[beejazz]

@Witch: EXACTLY!
@Snake: Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We still haven't decided if we'll even have saves.
@Golem: Right, except that I'm in favor of calling "reaction time" either reflex or agility. One word things.

[beejazz]

Also, in Luck/Spirit... My vote goes...
LUCK.

[Wensleydale]

@Golem: Right, except that I'm in favor of calling "reaction time" either reflex or agility. One word things.

Names can be decided later. I'm personally in favour of calling it reflex.

[CYMRO]

If you can buy your saves up directly, why do you need a stat for it?

Conversely, if you have saves for some stats, why not for all of them?

Saving throws do not need a stat, IMO.  Hell, saves do not really need to de subdivided.  If you take some time to glance through the PHB, you can pull any number of examples of save types that could go logically to another type.

So, the general agreement SEEMS to be on stats of Strength, Toughness, Coordination and Reaction Time...

I agree.  I am even fine with those names, since they are what they are.

There is the back and forth on LUCK, which though I am not 100% behind, it would be the ideal mechanic for all saves, plus VP = WP *(toughness mod + luck mod) has promise.

[CYMRO]

A vote is required once more! (And I'm a voter too)

Spirit/Luck/Both/Neither? Take your pick! My vote goes to both.

[th]Spirit[/th][th]Luck[/th][th]Both[/th][th]Neither[/th]

	1 Vote	1 Vote

SPIRIT = NO
LUCK = MAYBE.
BOTH = NO.
NEITHER = Yes, with the afforementioned reservation.

[beejazz]

Saves idea: Straight ability checks.
Luck for whatever you really don't have control over (like a flat-footed reflex save).
Also "saves" in opposed checks. Like a strength save against being bull rushed.
Just a thought. Could use further development.

[Numinous]

I like the idea of luck being used for saves and VP/WP, like CyMRO said.  My vote is identical to CYMRO's.

[Wensleydale]

Which means I add a half-vote to each for each of you... making it up to a vote for each. (Luck and neither)
 

[beejazz]

You got a full vote LUCK from me.

[Wensleydale]

Check the table.

What I meant was, between those two is a vote for each.

[SilvercatMoonpaw]

I vote for neither.
If I had to live with one, though, Spirit.  I don't like the idea of luckiness being tied to a stat.  I want Luck to be reflected in actual rolls.  I want to roleplay my luck.

[Wensleydale]

So, a half-vote for spirit and a vote for neither?

[snakefing]

If stats are going to have an effect on skills or saves, then there ought to be at least one non-physical stat. So I guess consider that to be a vote for spirit. (Call it Spirit, Mana, Force, Talent, whatever.)

I don't mind Luck, although I'm not sure if it needs to be a basic stat, or a secondary one that you can buy up with XP.

[Wensleydale]

vote for spirit, 1/2 vote for luck. :)

[CYMRO]

BEEJAZZ votes LUCK.
GOLEM011 votes BOTH.
SILVERCATMOONPAW votes NEITHER, with a caveat toward SPIRIT.
CYMRO votes NEITHER, with a caveat toward LUCK.
NATURAL 20 votes NEITHER, with a caveat toward LUCK.
SNAKEFING votes SPIRIT, with a caveat toward LUCK.
WITCHHUNT votes SPIRIT, with a caveat toward LUCK.