A Good Point That Ishmayl Brought Up: The Ultimate Thread of Final Destiny and Kryptonite Rings

[Elven Doritos]

First and foremost, this forum is for site-sponsored contests. That means, no posting your "Who would win, Batman or Superman" contests here; direct those towards the Dragon's Den.

Let's set up some parameters: It's the modern-day, post-Crisis (all of 'em) Superman with regular powers and vulnerabilities, as well as the current Batman.

(And the fight in DKR doesn't count, being as that the modern Superman is NOT that much of a tool, that was an alternate future telling)

[beejazz]

Batman vs. Superman. Two superheroes whose powers can be summed up as "Just Plain 1337ness."

I'd have to say Batman, if only because of the snazzy black uniform. In play, he'd probably utilize lead (to stop x-ray vision... Batman's all about the hiding) and some variety of kryptonite... probably in ray form. (kryptonite does get used like that, right? I could've sworn Metallo or someone did it. If anyone could reverse-engineer that trick, it's batman)

Also, consider if the conflict took place between their secret identities. Let's see... billionaire who practcally owns Gotham vs. a third rate (at best) journalist. Superman's sense of anything is fucked up any time the public hates him. It gets in his head.

[Hibou]

Batman. 'Nuff said.

[brainface]

Totally spiderman. He's got the spider sense, the porportionate strength of a spider, and can outdodge any melee attacker. Wolverine's all melee, it doesn't matter if he's got those 12" claws that can cut thru anything, spiderman can just swing out of NOWHERE and slam him in the head, then bounce back out before wolverine can react. And if the first hit doesn't give wolverine a concussion thru his invisible adamantium skull, the fifth or sixth hit will. Hell, spiderman could just start dropping cars on him, until there's too big a pile for regenerating super-knife guy to climb out of. Really, it's no contest.

[DeeL]

It would depend on how much planning was involved.  If both of them were suddenly infected with the 'spirit of adversariality' while within arms reach of each other, Superman would nail Batman faster than the finger-tip activation of a kryptonite ring.

But with an hour or so of planning, Batman would have the edge.  Heck, he beat Darkseid on his own home turf of New Apocalypse.  Of course, he had a mother box at the time, but still.

[CYMRO]

If Batman and Superman ever came down to a death dual, Hal Jordan would give them both the what-for.

[Elven Doritos]

But with an hour or so of planning, Batman would have the edge.  Heck, he beat Darkseid on his own home turf of New Apocalypse.  Of course, he had a mother box at the time, but still.

And Superman beat the snot out of Darkseid, simply because the big ol' 'seid was talking crap about Supergirl. He even pinned him to that wall full of dead gods for a while and returned to Earth unscathed.

He took in the Omega Effect like it was sunlight!

@Cymro: Yes, Hal is definitely a hardass. When you have the universe's most powerful weapon on your finger, though, you normally DO win these sorts of bouts.

[SDragon]

on bats vs. supes, the question really isn't about whose weakness is easier to exploit: lets face it, kryptonite is just as common as villianous chicks with killer bodies in the DCU. hell, even if you only count the villianous chicks with literal catsuits, it's still fairly even.

with that as a moot point, pretty much all that's left is the fact that batman is human, and superman ain't. i know i'm going to be crucified for not taking an opportunity to figure out how [ insert any character here ] would be able to take down superman, but i think the fact of this matter is that bane was a near-fatal challenge for bats. all bane has is strength, and even then it's not as much as superman.


thor vs. superman, on the other hand, is a completely different issue. weak against magic, y'say? does a divinely enchanted hammer count as "magic"? here, let's check that out:

*SMASH*

apparently it does....

[Xathan]

when it comes to Superman v Batman, the question really isn't who would win in a drag out fight. The question, rather, is which happens first: Superman gets to Batman, or Batman gets some kryptonite.

[Endless_Helix]

I'd have to say that if Supes went all out, Batman wouldn't have much of a chance. I mean, Batman wouldn't have time to react before he was turned into a cloud of superheated steam by by Supes' heatvision. Hell, Supes could just fly through the Batcave and collapse it on Batman, and then if somehow Bats survived, Supes would notice thanks to X-Ray vision, and use heatvision to vaporize him. Although, If I recall correctly Batman and Luthor both have easy access to Kryptonite.

Also, Darksied has been shat on since the end of New Gods... He's a freaking God... And yet all these little mortals seem to thwart him...  Grrr...  

[SDragon]

when it comes to Superman v Batman, the question really isn't who would win in a drag out fight. The question, rather, is which happens first: Superman gets to Batman, or Batman gets some kryptonite.

true; i must conceed to that point. remind me again: which one has superspeed?

seriously, that logic can be applied to any comic character or team. it would work if you replaced all instances of "batman" with "the power pack".

[Elven Doritos]

I would like to remind everyone that Batman is the master strategist-- he has probably thought of this contingency. I mean, he had a giant frickin' satellite to monitor his fellow heroes, you don't think he has, say, teleportation device to a lead-lined room with a kryptonite stash inside? It just seems that he would have a plan to take Supes out, in case the big blue went rogue-- the whole reason Supes trusted him with that kryptonite ring to begin with.

[Captain Obvious]

On the one hand, Supes frequently only loses cause he lets people win. He is not willing to end it. If he decided to kill every one, maybbe he could (think about the Red Son Elseworlds story). The thing is, it depends on who make the first move. If Bats plans and then goes after supes, supes is screwed. It's possible supes could strike first, but even then bats likely has contingencies in place for the evnet (supe goes rogue and the world is blanketed in red sun radiation or kryptonite rays or one of the many other things that hurt him. MAybe bats implanted a sealed kryptonite charge inside supes in one of the times supes was hurt that is set to go off if he tries to attack bats).

As for supes vs thor? supes is sooo dead. any magic guy could beat him prolly. Doom anyone ? (doom is not only magic, but a rich brilliant scientist. he could synthesize kryptonite too).

Speaking of Doom (the greatest villain alive along with luthor since they are the only two to really succeed - magneto is close to the awesome list too) Doom vs Batman is a fight i would really love to see. I think Doom could even take down Bats.

Yes i said it. Doom could take down Batman.

Tough, Superstrong, Brilliant stategist, owns a country, wicked scientist, and powerful sorceror - Doom's got it all.

[Captain Obvious]

Also, because the thread title made me think of it i have to bring this up.

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[Elven Doritos]

Yes i said it. Doom could take down Batman.

Tough, Superstrong, Brilliant stategist, owns a country, wicked scientist, and powerful sorceror - Doom's got it all.

And he knows it. Doom's biggest weakness is his awareness of how badass he is-- and how arrogant it has made him. Batman would pick up on Doom's crushing ego and use it against him-- something that many others with lesser power of done to thwart the ruler of Latveria.

As for Red Son, I loved that story. But I don't normally try and compare Elseworlds power levels to "mainstream" levels, if nothing else than to stick mostly to "canon" interpretations.