Haphazzard Casting, Thoughts?

[Stargate525]

yeah i just realized that now. my bad. just make their class skills knowledge (all skills taken individually), spellcraft (all skills taken individually), concentration, use magic device, decipher script, and craft (any)

So you're saying make each school skill a spellcraft(evocation), for instance? I like that.

[Higgs Boson]

yes. and there should also be a prayer skill for divine casters, and that would be what the divine casters use for casting. but we also need a spellcraft(universal) and there should also be a craft (spell) for creating new spells. with the craft DC's as follow:
equation for non-epic = t + (n-1)2
where t = 12
and n = the spell level
epic would be just whatever the spellcraft DC for casting. haven't tested the numbers yet, so idk if its under/overpowered.

[Stargate525]

I agree with the different skill for divine casters, but this sould open up a whole new thing for them. First, I don't think we should call it 'prayer,' as that sounds rather corny.

We could make each domain a different skill, and grant a bonus to all domains that match the cleric's deity. The problem with this is that you'll give clerics an (uneeded) power boost.

What would spellcraft (universal) be used for? I like the craft(spell) idea, but perhaps it should be changed to craft(magic), so we could include spells, items, whatever under it.

That would require a bit of a retooling of the crafting feats, but that might not be a bad thing.

[Higgs Boson]

uggh...lets save divine casting for another time, as in once we are done with arcane. its not as simple as arcane, as there are somewhere around, what 50 domains from sourcebooks alone, and then not to mention Deities, along with druids. Spellcraft (universal) is for the universal category spells, like Wish, etc. Cause what else would they fall under? I agree with the craft (magic), but we need to limit it to just enchanting the item. otherwise the wizard would get armormaking, weapon making, etc for the low price of 1 skill! although, this would help balance them out against divine casters. the one thing we have to ask ourselves is do we want to bring arcane casters up, or divine down. i also think, while on the topic of divine, we should add some sort of device that, when they cat completely out of nature with their deity//alignment, they get no spellcasting until they have someone use "atone" on them and they pray in regret to their favored deity for 1month to 1 year depending on the crime. But, if you are forced to doit, like people are being held hostage, nothing happens.

[Higgs Boson]

we should also add in soem effect along the lines of: if you do something sort of out of alignment/thingy with you divine caster, you may fall out of favor, giving you penalties on your casting, but if you are in favor with ur deity/ pantheon, you get a bonus. can't be too high, though.

[Higgs Boson]

hmm, but maybe there should be
spellcraft (domain)
and
spellcraft (divine). spellcraft (domain) is for whatever domains you have, and spellcraft (divine) is for general divine things.

[Stargate525]

moving on from divine casting....


I agree with the craft though, definately not the actual creation of the item.

[Higgs Boson]

hmm..we seem to be retooling the /entire/ magic system, while we are at it, you think we should maybe even delve into psionics :D. But seriously, i suggest we do arcane, divine, psionics, and maybe even get into incarnum eventually.

[Stargate525]

hmm..we seem to be retooling the /entire/ magic system, while we are at it, you think we should maybe even delve into psionics :D. But seriously, i suggest we do arcane, divine, psionics, and maybe even get into incarnum eventually.

Once you get into psionics and incarnum, you're on your own.

[Higgs Boson]

lol. but seriously, how should we do divine? i think we should go with
Spellcraft (divine)
Spellcraft (domain)

but waddya think abouts the out/in favor of the deities? i think there should be something with that.

[Haphazzard]

lol. but seriously, how should we do divine? i think we should go with
Spellcraft (divine)
Spellcraft (domain)

but waddya think abouts the out/in favor of the deities? i think there should be something with that.

It sounds like a good idea having that many spellcrafts, but how many are we up to now? Divine, domain, plus the 8 catagories of spells, right?  that makes 10, plus concentration, plus other skills, makes a lot of numbers for casters to have to worry about and look after.  I like it, I find detailing fun, but I'm also afraid it may turn others away from casting just because of the complexity.  

[Haphazzard]

I agree with the different skill for divine casters, but this sould open up a whole new thing for them. First, I don't think we should call it 'prayer,' as that sounds rather corny.

We could make each domain a different skill, and grant a bonus to all domains that match the cleric's deity. The problem with this is that you'll give clerics an (uneeded) power boost.

What would spellcraft (universal) be used for? I like the craft(spell) idea, but perhaps it should be changed to craft(magic), so we could include spells, items, whatever under it.

That would require a bit of a retooling of the crafting feats, but that might not be a bad thing.

Perhaps instead of boosting the clerics we could take some of that away and then give them potential power boosts, thus evening things out.  The way things are now with clerics...well...you know how I end up doing everything almost single-handedly and Fingor just tags along in that urban campeign.

[Higgs Boson]

WEll, Divine and Domains and the 8 schools arent for the same class. for instance, a Wizzard would not gain ranks in Spellcraft (Divine)

[Stargate525]

Perhaps instead of boosting the clerics we could take some of that away and then give them potential power boosts, thus evening things out.  The way things are now with clerics...well...you know how I end up doing everything almost single-handedly and Fingor just tags along in that urban campeign.

That's less because you're a cleric and more because he's both unoptimized and a follower.

[Higgs Boson]

Back  :ontopic: . So, how many skill points do you think we should give wizards/sorcerors?