A Good Point That Ishmayl Brought Up: The Ultimate Thread of Final Destiny and Kryptonite Rings

brainface · November 13, 2006, 05:26:45 PM

Quote from: /= battling a god without using a few tricks.[/quotemaking stuff up[/i]. Missiles that can track kryptonian DNA? That can fly faster than superman?? Sure, he had them in Dark Knight Returns. and they did, like, okay. chasing a superman that had just been hit by a nuke. If we assume superman has been hit by a nuke before the fight, and batman had several weeks preptime to build his anti-superman-missiles and anti-superman suit, sure, he'll win. ;)

Darkxarth · November 13, 2006, 05:27:48 PM

Well, uh, while he's in space... umm... ok. I didn't think my comment through very well. Still, I just can't believe that Batman, a regular person (compared to Superman), could ever beat the god-like power of Superman...

SDragon · November 13, 2006, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: beejazzBecause Supes might have x-ray vision, but he doesn't have detect alignment.

don't give DC any ideas.....

by the way, wolverine would hand it to batman, too. strategic contingency planning means nothing against a beast with indestructible claws, a regenerative factor that renders him nigh-immortal, and a complete disregard for holding back in a fight.

'nuff said.

edit- @darkxarth: you can? i can't.

Darkxarth · November 13, 2006, 05:34:14 PM

Won't like, Bat-Gas knock out Wolverine? Or Bat-Knockout Darts? That would put the fight pretty squarely with Batman. Granted, he wouldn't have long to contain Wolverine, but surely even a few minutes would give Batman enough time to put Wolverine in some sort of Bat-Stasis chamber, where he can poison him, disintegrate him, etc.

Elven Doritos · November 13, 2006, 05:37:01 PM

Quote from: brainface
Quote from: /= battling a god without using a few tricks.[/quotemaking stuff up[/i].

Yes, it's really far-fetched to think that the dude who, and I can't stress this enough, built a GIANT FREAKING SATELLITE that CONVERTED MANY OF THE WORLD'S HUMANS INTO CAPE-KILLING CYBORGS, could ever, EVER, have Superman-specific weaponry like that.

Remember! These are comics, meaning that people are making it up either way.

SDragon · November 13, 2006, 05:38:30 PM

Quote from: DarkxarthWon't like, Bat-Gas knock out Wolverine? Or Bat-Knockout Darts? That would put the fight pretty squarely with Batman. Granted, he wouldn't have long to contain Wolverine, but surely even a few minutes would give Batman enough time to put Wolverine in some sort of Bat-Stasis chamber, where he can poison him, disintegrate him, etc.

with wolvie's healing factor, it'd hit him like chamomile tea.

even if the KO (whatever) did work, odds are that wolverine would recover in time to claw his way out of said stasis-chamber.

edit- i wonder how chamomile tea would affect wolverine....

brainface · November 13, 2006, 05:42:33 PM

Quoteby the way, wolverine would hand it to batman, too. strategic contingency planning means nothing against a beast with indestructible claws, a regenerative factor that renders him nigh-immortal, and a complete disregard for holding back in a fight.

anti-wolverine[/i] missiles. heck, if he can do it for superman, he can do it for anyone! (i guess?)

QuoteYes, it's really far-fetched to think that the dude who, and I can't stress this enough, built a GIANT FREAKING SATELLITE that CONVERTED MANY OF THE WORLD'S HUMANS INTO CAPE-KILLING CYBORGS, could ever, EVER, have Superman-specific weaponry like that.

that sounds like a horrifically stupid comic ;) what is he, Lex Luthor now? that's terrible!

Darkxarth · November 13, 2006, 05:43:26 PM

Quote from: sdragon1984with wolvie's healing factor, it'd hit him like chamomile tea.

even if the KO (whatever) did work, odds are that wolverine would recover in time to claw his way out of said stasis-chamber.

edit- i wonder how chamomile tea would affect wolverine....

Probably badly. He doesn't seem like the tea type, to me.

Ok, so his Bat-Knockout Darts only slowed Wolverine down, now Batman swings into action with his Bat-Bola, pinning Wolverine's arms to his sides. Unless I'm missing something, Wolverine is not super-strong, a couple of steel cables should keep him occupied long enough for Batman to do whatever is necessary to annihilate Wolverine.

Elven Doritos · November 13, 2006, 05:45:51 PM

Quote from: brainfaceOh, i'm sure he'd just make anti-wolverine missiles. heck, if he can do it for superman, he can do it for anyone! (i guess?

Actually, judging from how well Nitro's powers have worked on Wolvie, I'd say missles are out of the question. Just throw him in a volcano or something, problem solved.

Darkxarth · November 13, 2006, 05:46:27 PM

In a slightly unrelated note, if Superman is indestructible by normal things like knives and such, how does he cut his hair or trim his fingernails?

Elven Doritos · November 13, 2006, 05:47:30 PM

Quote from: DarkxarthIn a slightly unrelated note, if Superman is indestructible by normal things like knives and such, how does he cut his hair or trim his fingernails?

Now we're getting into the physics of comics-- always a touchy area.

I believe that the accepted answer is that he emits an intangible, psychic "force-field" of sorts-- check Wikipedia on that.

SDragon · November 13, 2006, 05:49:51 PM

Quote from: Darkxarth
Quote from: sdragon1984with wolvie's healing factor, it'd hit him like chamomile tea.

even if the KO (whatever) did work, odds are that wolverine would recover in time to claw his way out of said stasis-chamber.

edit- i wonder how chamomile tea would affect wolverine....
Probably badly. He doesn't seem like the tea type, to me.

Ok, so his Bat-Knockout Darts only slowed Wolverine down, now Batman swings into action with his Bat-Bola, pinning Wolverine's arms to his sides. Unless I'm missing something, Wolverine is not super-strong, a couple of steel cables should keep him occupied long enough for Batman to do whatever is necessary to annihilate Wolverine.

remember: wolverine doesn't mind ignoring pain, if he has enough reason (say, his very life). if he strains hard enough, he can get out of the cables and only have them cut through his flesh and maybe a couple centimeters of muscle. he's ripped all the meat off his wrists and hands to get out of adamentium manacles before, he can handle steel cables.

SDragon · November 13, 2006, 05:51:57 PM

Quote from: Elven Doritos
Quote from: DarkxarthIn a slightly unrelated note, if Superman is indestructible by normal things like knives and such, how does he cut his hair or trim his fingernails?

Now we're getting into the physics of comics-- always a touchy area.

I believe that the accepted answer is that he emits an intangible, psychic "force-field" of sorts-- check Wikipedia on that.

he uses kryptonian steel from the spaceship that carried him as an infant, to relfect his heat-vision at just the right angle for haircuts, shaves, or presumabley cutting his nails.

official answer.

edit- the force-field thing was the official answer to why pre-crisis superman's cotume never got damaged. it didn't reach far enough to protect his cape, however.

Darkxarth · November 13, 2006, 05:54:29 PM

So he's vulnerable to his own heat vision? Well crap, all Batman needs is a Kryptonian Steel shield (which he could probably get as easily as Kryptonite, if not easier) and to be able to trick Superman into blasting him with heat vision and it's over...

SDragon · November 13, 2006, 06:02:56 PM

superman might not be the master strategist batman is, but he's still no dummy, and i doubt he'd fall for something like that.

that said, assuming batman could trick him like that, we don't know just how effective heat-vision is on superman. i mean, sure, i can cut his hair and nails, but can it deal a mortal blow?

not to mention, the only kryptonian steel on earth is supermans spaceship (in the fortress of solitude), and bats would have to re-work that into the shield. this is getting into the "if batman had enough time to plan" realm, which is shot down (figuratively and literally) by supermans superspeed.

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